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AnonymousFeb 14 2021 11:05pm The youngest girl who was physically around my size(weight) and stronger than me in some way was my niece’s friend Aubriana. I watched her with my mother as part of a babysitting gig for my summer freshman year of high school. My mother ran a babysitting service and watched the younger kids (babies and toddlers) and had my niece and I watch the older ones. Aubriana was two years older than my niece and had just turned 10, while I was 15 going on 16 myself. Aunt Ian’s was a little irritating as she was a cheerleader and she loved the gym but also loved food. She was irritating because she had a mild superiority complex. She was not really around my height, as I was 5’10†then and she was at very best 5’1†but more likely 5’ or less. I thought it’d be interesting to introduce my niece to scales so I weighed myself. I was only 121 lbs at that age, and my niece gasped saying “that’s pretty heavy.†Aubriana than got on the scale and laughed, her weight read out as 107 lbs and she said “that’s not that heavy. My aunt weighs more than that and I can pick her up.†My niece was the lightest of all of us by 27 lbs. later that day my niece and Aubriana were playing truth or dare and a variation they made up called the based in the room. (A game where we would answer a question with what we thought our ranking in the room was) and my niece asked who is the strongest and Aubrey and I both said we were. I told her “I’m a man, I’m a lot taller, and I’m heavier so I’m stronger.†Aubrey countered “you’re a twig, you’re barely 14 lbs heavier even though you’re fully in puberty and five years older than me, and I am an athlete.†I was getting fed up with her ego, and in truth or dare after I had mentioned how “there was no way her aunt was heavier than me, that, or she didn’t lift her†my niece dared her to pick me up. I told her not to be ridiculous, but Aubriana walked behind me grabbed my waist, and leaned backwards. Carrying me in the air and even walked around my room for a few seconds. My negative feelings about her evaporated as I was insanely impressed with her. I struggled to lift my own weight, and could barely do it. Had I been her age, she would’ve been vastly stronger than me, and even at my age she was a huge competition. I had her more times throughout summer and she began to enjoy playing games that tested my strength. After lifting me she thought she was stronger than I was and wanted to see if I could lift her. I did, and I could lift her, but it wasn’t particularly easy. On the next day I had to watch her she tested strength with me a few times, to various results. The first thing we did was play a cops and robbers type-game where we had to stop the robbers from leaving the room and arrest them with fake handcuffs. During the game when I was robber, she would aggressively go after me, and she caught me three times. One time she pinned my arms against a cold wall, and I actually felt how strong her arms were, as we were surprisingly about dead even in upper body strength, as though she pinned my arms to the wall and I couldn’t break out the first time, on her second attempt I stop her from pinning me but couldn’t get out or counter pin her either. The third time however she managed to force my arms behind my back and put the tank handcuffs on. After lunch, she said she saw something that could test our strength, and ask if I wanted to try it, so I agreed. She then explained what was happening as she locked her hands together, she said I would need to use my arms to pull hers apart. I set to work on it immediately and was surprised yet again as I grabbed the interior of her elbow to pull her hands apart, and despite me actually trying, I couldn’t get her hands apart. I kept trying but couldn’t, so I slid my hands up her arm and copped a feel of her biceps, and they almost made me weak in the knees.I already knew I was attracted somewhat to physical strength, and since she had picked me up she’d seemed a little more attractive (though I had no actual intentions give we were both minors). She wasn’t bad looking all around either. She was fairly thick. She had strong legs and a rear, and she had begun developing breasts as well, but her bicep made me feel a little weak in knees. Given how we were both using our arms to resist or overpower each other, her biceps were tensing with the effort. I could feel her muscle writhing under her skins and her biceps were hard and were bulging a bit, moving my hands. My arms eventually grew tired of trying to break her hands apart and were shaking too much to accomplish it anyways. She smirked and said “see I’m really stronger than you.†I then locked my hands and challenged her “not until you do it to me.†She then grabbed the same spot and pulled. Her hand felt pretty strong with her grip, and my arms were actually getting a little sore from it. After a little while my fingers were un-laced and eventually she pulled my arms apart. I was now even more infatuated with her given the prospect she may now be stronger than me. She smirked superiorly saying it’s all thanks to these, and she flexed her arms. Her biceps were around my size with a little peak even appearing at the top and we’re certainly surprising to see on a little girl. I asked if I could feel them and she nodded, so I felt them, and they felt just as good as before, maybe even slightly better. As I did that she asked me to flex, so I obliged. She lined her muscle up with mine, and they were roughly the same size, her peak was perhaps a mm above mine, though she didn’t notice. And she said “same size, let’s feel em.†And she started grabbing mine. Though her muscles were quite hard when I tried quite a bit, I could manipulate her muscles with my whole hand, on the other hand she said my muscles were a bit hard, but also a little soft, and I could feel her squishing and manipulating my biceps. The next week she came over we played a game where we were prisoners. She was a tough crazy lady, my niece was a chef, and I was just a prisoner. We sat at a table and pretended to eat, and at one point Aubriana pinned my hands to the table and said “I found the big guy in prison, and now I gotta show him whose boss.†She held my arms there as I struggled a bit to raise them, and with quite a bit of effort, being most my strength, I broke free. She then smirked and continued with the game. Later in the game when I stood up she locked hands with me on our carpeted floor while we were both barefoot and proposed a game of might. I agreed and so we started pushing against each other. I was super surprised when I realized we were pretty evenly matched despite my height and weight advantage, and I acknowledged she was crazy strong again, and just then the balance tipped. I suddenly began being pushed towards the wall. It wasn’t quick, but she slowly pushed me further and further back. I was resisting and she was pushing with all of our might. After perhaps two minutes she pinned my arms to the wall. Not only did my knees feel weak due to our competition, but also the strength she displayed. The final thing she did was pull me on her while laying down in the game. After she did that she then supported my weight on her back while she sat on her legs and arms before standing up and offering a hand. My niece then briefly went to he bathroom and aubriana became more aggressive with her strength. I looked towards her and she grabbed my neck with her left arm and pulled it towards her flexed right arm and told me to kiss it. I did, and it felt pretty good. The next time she came over we did two feats that showed her strength off. The first was she wanted to really settle who had stronger muscles, and we agreed to best out of three arm wrestling. We were pretty evenly matched throughout the first match for quite a bit, but I eventually lost a bit of bass and she slowly beat me. Her and my niece were beaming as my niece thought all boys were stronger than girls and never even remotely considered the possibility a young girl could be stronger than an older more developed guy. In the second match it was nearly the same, but I won at the end. The third match sealed the deal, and my muscle aches that match and she beat me faster than the first time, cementing her as having superior biceps and an upper body. Her final challenge that day was another hand lock strength test where she remained locked and I couldn’t unlock her grip. She is the youngest a girl was physically superior to me, and I have a few more stories about her wonderful strength. I may share them later. Weaker guyFeb 14 2021 11:52pm I only have time for one display right now, but a few days after our arm wrestling contest she was walking around gloating about her strength compared to me. She often flexed and told me to feel it. I usually obeyed as I didn’t want to make her to mad, and I didn’t want her telling other people she was stronger. After lunch though, her demeanor changed a little bit and she said “man I’m just too strong for you.†I told her “you’re only barely stronger than me, so quit bragging.†She immediately pinned my hands to the wall and I couldn’t move them. She said “hmm... it seems like I’m stronger than you though. I could certainly kill you if I wanted to.†Then I said “hey, don’t even start that, killing ability isn’t only determined by strength, skill and intelligence is also a major component, and I got you beat in those two. She then said “okay, I’m gonna fight you, all you need to do is not get beat for five minutes.†I agreed and she grabbed my waist as soon as I stood. She lifted my feet a little bit off the floor and pushed me into a wall. I recoiled a bit, because it did hurt, but she followed it up by grabbing handfuls of my shirt and pulling me to the floor. She then sat on me and grabbed my wrists begging to pin me. In my desperation I fought her off by bucking with all my body’s strength. She then tried to pick me up, but because I was older and better coordinated, I managed to avoid her attempt to pick me up or slam me again and survived the five minutes, but admitted her strength outclassed mine. Weaker guyFeb 15 2021 12:06pm Hi weaker guy, did you later experience that some or many girls can be stronger than many guys too? My first real girlfriend was very fit. Always if we had a little strength contest it was really hard for me to defeat her or at least to prevent her for beating me. One days i realized i can’t defeat her anymore and it was really hard to prevent for beat me at least in the first round. Sometimes she has beaten me in the second contest but latest at the third i lost to her always. With the time she built up more and more and later she surpassed me completely. I had no chance against her anymore. Did you made more experiences with Aubriana? WeaklingFeb 16 2021 2:12pm All my life i was a member i a sport club and i was in contact with many strong girls. With the time i had several relationships with girls who were stronger than me and i think for many girls who workout, it’s ok if the boyfriend is weaker than the girlfriend. I’m slim with thin arms and legs and my current girlfriend is more muscular and stronger than me. At home she loves that i’m a little taller but when we go outside meet friends or go shopping she wear heels. She likes to over tower me in public. Henni Feb 18 2021 11:24pm Hello Henni, how you stated in your post a lot girls are stronger than you. Do the girls outnumber the guys in the gym you were in? Do you think in relation to the ratio are more girls stronger than guys or vise versa? Did you always went for a girlfriend stronger than you and do your girlfriends went for a weaker boyfriend or was it randomly that your girlfriends were stronger than you? Weakling Feb 23 2021 2:20pm Hi Weakling, actually all my girlfriends i had were stronger than me. Only one of them was not at the beginning stronger but later she started also working out and surpassed me within a year. So yes i can say, all my girlfriends were stronger than me. In the gym i see mostly girls who workout. Only a few men workout really seriously. So also at this point i can say mostly the stronger sex in the gym are the girls. Except sometimes if there is a guy in the gym who workout seriously than these guy is stronger. But mostly we guys are not stronger than the girls who workout seriously. Henni Feb 24 2021 3:39am Why did you start a relationship with that girl who was weaker than you. Actually you sound like a guy who go for girls who are stronger than you. Why in this case you didn’t? Also it seems you know a lot strong girls. Did you made the experience as well that many strong girls prefer weaker guys? Weakling Feb 26 2021 11:38am Yes, you’re right. Actually I’m attracted to big strong girls but my girlfriend in the relationship before has beaten me up again and again to punish me for this and that. She wanted to make me more and more submissive and obedience. She did hit me in public as well and humiliated me then especially. with the time i was really very scared of her. Even though i was very submissive and I obeyed to all she command me, again and again she invented a reason and show to me that i’m the weaker one. One day i dropped her and ran away from her. Luckily she moved away to another city and i can’t encounter her anymore accidentally. Because of this my next girlfriend was not stronger than me but she has some girl friends who workout and they stated again and again how cool it is to be stronger than men. I was not happy when my girlfriend told me she wanted to start working out but i couldn’t prevent that she started lifting weights. For me it was the first time to experience it that my girlfriend got stronger and stronger until she surpassed me. At the begin of our relationship she was the one who ask me for help with all this heavy stuff, now i was the guy again who ask his girlfriend for help with all this heavy things who are to heavy for him. Because i recalled what my formerly girlfriend did to me i became very submissive again to my girlfriend and if she command me anything i obeyed promptly of course. Well she was not violent as my girlfriend before but she also loved to show to me who is stronger. Henni Feb 27 2021 12:52am I think it is normal that men are submissive in front of a strong woman especially if she is a dominant alpha women. Weak men should obey to a strong woman always. When your girlfriends compare their female muscles and strength to you how big was the difference? When you were in the relationship with the girl who was weaker than you, how did you feel when you realized that she surpassed you and that you are from now the weaker than your girlfriend again. Were you scared that she will beat you up? Weakling Feb 28 2021 3:41pm Yes of course, for me as weak guy it‘s better to obey to my girlfriend. If she is angry she could beat me up. It‘s not easy to say how big is the strength difference but in the gym she take clearly more weight than i could do. Sometimes even double of weight than i can lift except in her lower body. Her legs are at least three times stronger than mine. When my girlfriend surpassed my strength it was a kind of a shock for me because i remembered how my formerly girlfriend has beaten me up again and again and how she maked me to feel like a weakling. Now i’m the weaker one again. I think i had water in my eyed because when my girlfriend realized it, she hugged me and said, she did it also for me since she know that i‘m used to it to be weaker than my girlfriend. But i think she was also excited to get stronger than me and she loved it to show me how easy she can overpower me. Another point was for sure, many of her girl friends has working out as well and for them their boyfriends were usually weaker than the girls. Now my girlfriend was on the same party having a weaker boyfriend. What‘s with you Weakling? Your alias tells, you have also a girlfriend who is stronger than you, isn‘t it? Henni Mar 01 2021 11:45pm You are right. My girlfriend was always sporty and pretty strong and it was pretty hard for me to defead her. Often she defeated me because she has way better endurance. I was able to defeat her in the beginning maybe but if it tooks longer i had no chance anymore. After she changed her trainings routine doing bodybuilding, she gained bigger and bigger muscles. You can likely imagine that bigger muscles can develop far more power than small muscles. Because female muscles are more effective than male muscle anyway she was already stronger when her muscles were still smaller than mine. Today her muscles are larger than mine and of course she’s more than than twice as strong than me. I gues you made already the same experience with your girlfriends right? I can imagine you are also smaller than most of your girlfriends, isn’t it? Weakling Mar 03 2021 3:49pm Yes, after my girlfriend start working out she became more and more ripped. At this time she had still smaller muscles but she became already superior to me more and more. Later when she had changed her nutriation and took suplements her muscles swoll bigger and bigger. When her muscles were a some cm bigger she test also her strength against mine and i was absolute no challange for her. In armwrstling she pressed my arm down within no time and no effort. Also in all other strength test i couldn’t keep up to her. Compared to my other girlfriends i was always smaller and corresponding weaker. Henni Mar 04 2021 10:28pm Hey weakling, yeah I have a few other experiences with Aubriana. The ones that really come to mind is fairly recently she found the joy of bear hugs and one day decided she’d bear hug me every time we bumped into each other while she hung out with my niece. I saw her in a hallway that day and I didn’t know about this yet, so as I passed her she suddenly hugged around my body from behind. I was a bit bewildered by this and was going to ask what she was doing, but she began to squeeze. She is quite strong especially for her age, so she could generate a lot of pressure, and after a couple of seconds, she winded me and I let out a nearly muted shriek as the air left my body. She squeezed with all her might and my ribs crackled a little and she stopped and smiled at me. My torso and arms hurt for the rest of the day. Weaker guyMar 05 2021 7:57am The youngest girl who was bigger than me was a girl named maya in a 9th grade class while I was a junior. She was a power lifter and loved wrestling and volleyball. I didn’t actually know this about her or know how strong she was until a while after we were friends. We became friends pretty early in high school since we shared an interest in science. We were around the same height but she was about an inch taller than me. I was about 5’8 and she was 5’10. Throughout most of freshman year she wore fringed yoga pants and a sweater, so I knew she had a pretty nice lower body, but didn’t know too much about her otherwise. One day in the cafeteria I noticed her swearing and she took her sweater off for the first time at school. She was embarrassed taking it off at first and I wasn’t sure why, but once it came off I saw why. She was wearing a tight short-sleeve athletic shirt and she had some big and toned arms. I also realized why I had thought her shoulders were pretty broad. I was enraptured by this view and was shocked. She sighed and looked a bit flushed and embarrassed, until I whispered in her ear “don’t worry, you look beautiful.†She blushed and said “reallyâ€? I told her that she looked beautiful and her hard work was great. She said “are you sure, I’m probably stronger than you. Isn’t that a major turn off and detractor from our friendship?†I said “No, plenty of if not all of my friends are stronger than me. I’m a wimp, why would I care if you might be stronger than me?†She then thanked me and we finished lunch and went to our regular hangout spot behind the portables on the north side field at our school. She then hugged me from behind and said “I’m glad your still so ready and accepting of me, even despite... my size.†I smiled “of course,I’ll always be your friend.†She said “but... I am not just maybe stronger than you. I am stronger.†With that she picked me up and spun me in a single revolution and put me down. I just said “wow you are strong.†She giggled and cradled me to the fence opposite the portables and we sat and talked for a while. JamesMar 05 2021 2:39pm Hi Weaker guy, what did you thought when she bear hug you again and again? I can imagine this was a way for her to show to you and all other around you that she’s much stronger than you. Do you think nowadays it’s ok for a guy to be weaker than a girl? I believe it was a kind of humiliating for you to be handled like a toy by a girl, isn’t it? Weakling Mar 05 2021 3:35pm James, it sounds like the beginning of wonderful story. I think a lot of girls like to be stronger. Especially tall girls are often stronger than guys. Because of she’s taller than you it’s no wonder she’s also stronger and i can imagine she’s even way stronger than you. After she realized you are ok with it to be weaker than her i guess she enjoyed to have a talk with you a little weak guy. About which topics did you have talked? By the way, you stated that a plenty or even all your friends stronger than you, did you mean generally all your friends or especially female friends? Weakling Mar 05 2021 3:55pm Henni, how much bigger is your girlfriend’s bicep. Does she weigh more than you? Is she taller and bigger? Weakling Mar 05 2021 4:02pm Actually all my girlfriends were shorter than me. During the puberty most of them had their grow spurt earlier than the boys so it was not unusual that i was shorter and smaller. Meanwhile i’m a grown man and most women are shorter but the height difference is very various. I go for tall girls except with the girlfriend who was weaker than me all my girlfriends were only a few centimeters shorter than me and so i experienced it again and again when they wear heels they are taller than me. Most of my girlfriends were not that much bigger than me but of course they were mostly much more muscular. I think after puberty in size they were similar to me maybe a little bigger. My current girlfriend is buff. She is ripped and has much bigger muscles. Even though she’s a little shorter than me but if we go out she wear heels. I can imagine it must look like it was with James. He was also smaller and shorter than this girl. May I ask you James, what happened later? My girlfriend never tried to hide her muscular body but most men are scared of her. When i came in touch with her i talked with her normal without fear in my voice. She enjoyed this and we met us more and more often and last we became a couple. James, after this girl realized she was stronger than you, did she show to you her muscles? Henni Mar 06 2021 1:30am Yeah weakling, I found it a little attractive, I also found it concerning. She is almost six years younger than me so I wasn’t very comfortable with her being stronger than me. It was her way to show me and others she is stronger than me. In that interaction and in our more recent ones she likes to hug me or hold me so tight that I can’t leave her hold and she makes me admit to her She’s stronger. She also likes to flex her muscles at me and pin me wherever and whenever she can. She even embarrassed me in front of my mom. She told my mom that she was stronger than me and pinned my wrists to my back and I couldn’t free them or get out of her grip. To solidify this she lifted me an inch off the floor and set me down before releasing me.I think it is fine to be weaker than a girl nowadays, but I don’t like being played with like a toy by Aubriana. Weaker guyMar 07 2021 2:10am Hi weaker guy. I got your point. The girl who was weaker than me when i was in a relationship with her was 14 while i was 19. It was not that easy for me to accept that she has gotten stronger than me. For a grown man it’s humiliating beaten by a girl especially in front of other people. Bu of course you’re right. A lot of girls and women workout nowadays and it’s absolutely fine that such women stronger than we men. For a long time i tried to hide that i was attracted to stronger girls even though it was visible that my girlfriends were stronger than me. I think in the old century women tried to hide it if they were stronger. In my generation it’s normal that girls workout and also bulk up. In my last year on my school in my class there were some girls who workout and they were stronger than the majority of us boys. Of course there were also boys who workout and they were stronger but it was only two or three. Almost 10 girls were stronger than the rest of us boys. Nowadays in the company i work for has a gym. Sometimes if i’m there i see always more women instead of men and some women workout regularly. These women are proud of their fit body and the don’t hide that they are stronger than most male employees. For a time i worked together with three women in the same office room. They talked often about their workout and that they also realized that many men generally weaker than women who workout. One day it bothered me that hard i gave a piked answer that women not so much stronger than men because of they working out. This ended that they challenged me for a strength comparison. You can imagine how it ended. I was beaten by all of them. In one way it was a strange feeling. I’m in a office room of four, i’m the only man and i’m the weakest. On the other hand it was exciting and i’ve learned once again that i’m not stronger only because i’m a man. Henni Mar 07 2021 6:16am I meant generally all of my friends, I have like 5 male friends and 3 female friends and I found out all of them are definitively stronger. Maya is quite a bit stronger than me. My friend jasmine is an inch shorter than me but she’s a tiny bit stronger and my friend Rhiannon is pretty short, she’s only 5’2 and 125 but she’s also stronger than me, and jasmine. JamesMar 07 2021 7:36am James, who do you think is the strongest one in you friend circle? In my current relationship my girlfriend is not only stronger than me but also stronger than many of my male friends. I have to admit, most of my male friends are not that sporty and some are pretty slender. Because my girlfriend regularly workout in a gym she has mostly friends who working out as well. For many of her girl friends it’s absolutely normal that they are stronger than lots of men. What do you think about this? Henni Mar 07 2021 8:39am Hey Weaker guy. I think for us guys it depends how a stronger girl is treating us. On the other hand i can imagine how a girl feels when she noticed that she’s stronger than most guys and know that that most of us guys realize we are weaker than her. I think for her it’s arousing to be able to overpower us guys. Of course no guy loke to be a toy for a girl but if she is so much stronger we cannot prevent her from doing this to us as well. I think for all men this is humiliating but also exciting especially in public. My girlfriend toys also with me since i’m weaker than her and i think we’re not the only men experienced it by strong girls. Weakling Mar 07 2021 12:26pm Henni, i think your experience sounds similar to the experience of Weaker guy. Since you realized that a lot women around you are stronger how do you manage it? I can imagine you are intimidated pretty often, right? You as only man between 3 women and you are the weakest one. How did the women treat you after they noticed you as man weaker than them? Did they made fun of you or laugh over you? Tell us more please. Weakling Mar 07 2021 12:46pm I’d say that’s pretty understandable Henni. Maya is definitely the strongest in the group. We all arm wrestled not that long ago. Maya was able to pin me in seconds. She did it with very little effort. Rhiannon pinned me in a few more seconds then Maya and Jasmine and I arm wrestled for 2 minutes before she barely won. Maya beat Jasmine in 9 seconds (about as long as it took her to beat me, just two seconds longer). Rhiannon beat jasmine in 14 seconds. Rhiannon and Maya arm wrestled for about a minute before maya won. I cannot lift Maya, but she can lift me easily. I can lift Rhiannon, but I struggle a bit and Rhiannon can lift me easily, and can even lift maya. JamesMar 07 2021 8:53pm Weakling, actually it was not new for me but that i as man was proven as the weaker one from female colleagues was a new experience. But i don’t stayed the only man who was weaker. During a discussion with other colleagues some male colleagues wont believe that women can be stronger and they thought i’m a weakling. We did an arm wrestling and i finished not that bad compared to my male colleagues but i learned also other female colleages were stronger than majority of men as wee. It’s obvious i’m an average man but it’s also obvious that women who workout are stronger than average men. In the office room my females colleagues stayed nice to me but of course sometimes they want to protect me. Sometimes if we have to carry heavy boxes they say to me i should let do that the stronger sex. Or they take a box away from me and mention it’s to heavy for a weak man. If they ask who can do any heavy thing they don’t want me. If there is a small and light thing to do, they say that’s a thing for a weak man like me. Henni Mar 07 2021 10:22pm But what is with your male friends James? How long does it take if you arm wrestle them? Also a few seconds or are the girls able to beat all of you? I think nowadays when many girls workout it’s not unusual that men are weaker. If i and my girlfriend meet some of her training mates and their boyfriends it’s not rarely that the girls are stronger than almost all men in the group. Also in public i see it more and more often that a woman is muscular while the man next to her is slim and hardly muscular. Henni Mar 07 2021 10:33pm Maya can beat all of them and Rhiannon can beat my weakest make friend. JamesMar 07 2021 11:21pm It looks like in strength female and male are equal in your friend circle only in absolute strength females are stronger. Does your male friends also working out? How big is the difference between all of them? is Maya the strongest by far or is the difference small? How long would an arm wrestling match take between your strongest male friend and Maya? Henni Mar 08 2021 1:58am My male friends workout to varying degrees, but in my entire friend group jasmine and I are the only ones that don’t work out much, (I don’t at all). I have three male friends John (the strongest), Tyler (the weakest) and David. Maya beats David but it’s harder than me or jasmine, Maya beats Tyler with almost as easily as she beats me, and she takes John down in about a minute and a half. John plays baseball and works out pretty regularly so he’s really strong, Rhiannon beats Tyler in about 12 seconds and it turns out she can also beat David, it just took her about 40 seconds. Although after a minute she lost to John. My other two male friends have never interacted with my female friends. Maya’s arm strength is only a bit higher than John’s, but a fair bit higher than everyone else. Her legs though, are quite a bit stronger than John’s as she could leg lift almost 100 lbs more than him. She can also carry all of them super easily. JamesMar 08 2021 8:45am Well James, it seems the girls are superior to you guys. But i think it‘s more and more common that the strongest one is female and the weakest male. Does Maya try to confince Jasmine and Rhiannon to workout more to get stronger and do they want to become stronger? My ex girlfriend who was weaker than me at first has also been convinced by a girl friend who has working out, that she should working out more to bulk up and become stronger than i. I think she falled in love with the idea that almost no man can defeat her and she can dominate me. It sounds for me the difference between Rhiannon and John is not that big also when John is really strong if he don‘t workout for strength and Rhiannon do she can also surpass him. Then Maya is not the only girl who is stronger than all of you guys. Or does it not matter her? My girlfriend is not that comfortable if she is the only girl who is stronger than the men around her. If she can choose she want to have at least one or better two other girl friends with her who are also stronger than the men. Henni Mar 08 2021 9:58am Maya does try to convince them to workout. Rhiannon joined maya in power lifting, but jasmine doesnt really want to workout. I think maya is fine being the only one, but at the same time she also likes how Rhiannon is strong and how Rhiannon can actually carry her, so I think maya would like it if Rhiannon became nearly as strong as her. I saw Rhiannon cradling maya and maya cradling her. Rhiannon has also been training to get stronger than John while John is still only doing what he normally does. JamesMar 08 2021 11:15am Nice I have had somewhat similar experiences to weaker guy. This happened to me about two months ago, as my daughter’s friend is insanely strong. I am a well grown, single 28 year old man, and I live with my 12 year old daughter. Last month her friend from school Katie had planned on coming over a few weeks ago, and as it was confirmed that she was virus free, I accepted. Her mother dropped her off January 20th and left. She was dropped off in the morning and would leave after 5. Most of the day I just watched tv in my living room as my daughter and Katie played in my daughter’s room. I made them lunch around noon, and they both ate it. I made turkey sandwiches on rye with stone ground mustard and Swiss. Both the girls loved it and my daughter hugged me and said thanks. Katie also came, but as she hugged me around the waist, she stood up a little on her toes, lifted me off the floor and spun me around before setting me down and going back to play. I was stunned that this happened to say the least. Though I wasn’t huge or anything, I was much bigger than Katie I stood at 5’9 and weighed what had to be around 140 pounds. Meanwhile, Katie was nearly a foot shorter than me, as she only rose very slightly above my shoulder in height. At around 2, my daughter and Katie came out of my daughter’s room and started playing in the living room. Within a little while they began rough housing and wrestling for some fun. Though my daughter and Katie are around the same height, Katie is a little bit bigger (not taller) than my daughter. But even so, Katie effortlessly beat my daughter over five times in a row in their little matches, and manhandled and pinned her without any effort. Than my daughter wanted to wrestle me. I was willing to entertain her so I pretended to struggle before pinning her easily. Katie than wanted to wrestle, but I was quite opposed to this, as I was not really willing to wrestle a little girl. I denied her, but she said “cmon, I can take it†before getting into a wrestling pose. I again denied, but she rushed towards me, grabbed my butt, and heaved. She actually lifted me off the floor again and took me to the ground. She coiled her legs around mine and interlaced her hands with mine, and started trying to pin me. I was absolutely blown away by this. This little girl was absolutely insanely strong. I’m not the strongest person, and I’m likely a little weaker than the average man or late teenage male, but still. She was able to lift my weight of the ground, and then compete with me in strength. After I was on the ground she began pushing my hands to the carpet. I then pushed against her, and to my awe she began slowing down but I hadn’t stopped her. I then began pushing with more than half of my strength, and her advance was halted. She then grunted and I saw this crazy power with my eyes. She was wearing long sleeves and yoga pants, but I was shocked to see her biceps and shoulder muscles pressing against her shirt. My hands were now barely off the carpet and I grunted and pushed with all my might. We were both sweating now and my face was red, and I was quickly tiring. Katie’s face was reddening every where from her effort, and both of our arms started shaking with strain and fatigue. At seemingly the last second I pushed her off me. We were both beat and she said that it was a really challenging wrestle and that I did good. After that, nothing really happened until she left, but yeah. A little 12 year olds girl named Katie easily lifted me twice and almost matched me in overall strength. She was insanely strong, and in a year she’d probably be stronger than me. I spoke of this before on a different poll, but saw this and recognized the similarities between others and thought I’d share here. TimMar 08 2021 11:18am I can imagine that Rhiannon has a good instructor and she will surpass John. If John already need one minute to defeat her i think the difference is not that big. She needs only a little more endurance in the high power range and John will tiring before he has a chance to defeat her. Most likely she can workout more intensively then so she will increase her strength clearly. What is John thinking about that? Do you think Jasmine would be convinced if she see that the other girls so much stronger than you guys? I think she have already an clue how it feels like because she‘s stronger than you. Did she told you that she like it that you are weaker than her? Henni Mar 08 2021 12:13pm Tim, you don‘t sounds like a big guy. Nevertheless i can imagine for an average guy you will be also average strong. But also i made the experience that women and also girls start weight training pretty early. In many school they provide gym classes and power lifting especially for girl. I think for many girls this is the start point for their inspiration to workout more. Today girls learn that they can do what ever they want like motor cycling but also weight lifting and power lifting. Because boys dont get a special gym class and for sure no power lifting. In the result much less boys are involved in that kind of training and the boys who want workout cant do it that often. In the result it‘s not rarely that the girls are more successfull in sport. They habe more endurance and more and more often the strongest in the class are girls while boys stay average. Regarding my ex girlfriend i wrote above, she was also involved in such a gym class but she doesn‘t has had workout that seriousely. Until one day she changed her routine and she became stronger pretty quickly. She surpassed me a few weeks before i turned 20. It was very exciting for her. A 14yo girl who has a 20yo boyfriend who is weaker than her. I think if Katie visit you next time it‘s most likely the case that she is stronger than you. What is with your daughter? Does she visit a gym class? And what is with your wife? By the way, my girlfriend i‘m a couple since a few years i already know since i was 15. She is 3 years younger than me what means at this time she was also 12. At this time sometimes we met us and sometimes we romped around a bit. At this time i was a little stronger than her and mostly i could stop her from doing something i dont wanted. She was upset then but she already knew that she will starting power lifting and that she will be surpass me in the next few months. In the next few months she increased her strength extremly so i was not able anymore to stop her. Instead of this she pinned me when we romped around and i was unable to get free. From this point i was scared of her and i stayed away from her for few years. Nowadays we are a couple. She stayed in power lifting and bulked up clearly. I‘m smaller than her but a few centimeters taller. Henni Mar 08 2021 1:03pm My daughter is more of a traditional girly girl, I have encouraged exercise and she was contempt with yoga. My wife and I divorced when my daughter was born and I got custody. I found out from Katie that she has been lifting weights since she was 6 and she is in swimming gymnastics and cheerleading. TimMar 08 2021 1:58pm Well Henni, Maya and Rhiannon both love being stronger than me. Maya calls me her little guy and loves to carry me any way she can, and Rhiannon loves being stronger than a guy and always competes with me in strength contests. JamesMar 08 2021 2:00pm Wow, i‘m a little surprised how many men write into this poll about their experience with women who workout and has gotten stronger than the men. For a long time i thought i‘m a little strange to be into women who stronger than me but now i have not only the impression that many men are ok with the fakt that there are women who are stronger than they are. These men also tell from women who explicite look for men who are weaker than they are. Unfortunately no woman wrote about her experience how she feels, to be stronger than than some men around her. Sometimes i see women who are obviousely strong and mostly these women seems to be fine with it that they will be noticed as strong as well. Especially if such a woman has males around her who are obviousely weaker than her. She‘s carrying the more heavy bags and she help the man with all this imposdible and to heavy for him things. And not rarely the man is ok with it. I have already heard how a man asked his wife or girlfriend if she can carry this heavy bag because it‘s sooo much heavy for him... Weakling Mar 08 2021 2:19pm Sorry to hear that Tim. May i still be curious nevertheless? Was your ex wife played sports? I think what you tell about Katie sounds like a story who will be common nowadays more and more. I guess in her class she‘s one of the strongest maybe another girl is stronger and some girls are equal. But i can imagine most of the boys in her clasd are weaker. How does it is in the class of your daugther? Does they have a gym class only for girls as well? Henni Mar 08 2021 3:16pm You told in one previous post that Maya has hidden her body because she‘s pretty big. Is she bigger than the average man? When you talked with her, did you encouraged her to show more skin also in public? I can imagine because she call you ‚little guy‘ she‘s fine with it to show her body next to your‘s also in public? I understood, you are also fine with it that you are smaller and obviousely weaker than her, isn‘t it. Did you both show that in public yet? Does she have real visible muscles? How looks Rhiannon? I think both girls are have this modern attitude and want to be stronger than guys. On the other hand they are fine to have a weak guy. Did they talk abouk that men shoud be weaker than women? Henni Mar 08 2021 3:30pm She’s pretty big, she is at least bigger than most non athletic men, so I’d say she is. I am comfortable with and told her she could show more skin, and she does somewhat often now. She has pretty toned muscles so it’s pretty obvious she’s strong. She lifted me in a PE class. So she has shown some of her strength in public before. Rhiannon is decently well built. She has pretty big arms actually, her bicep and tricep are visible and fairly sizable, being kind of close to maya’s although smaller for sure, her legs are nicely toned, but not nearly as big as maya’s. JamesMar 08 2021 3:50pm Hey Henni, my ex wife did a lot of water aerobics exercise and played some tennis, but she was just pretty athletic, she wasn’t amazingly strong, she was only barely just stronger than me, if even. I’d imagine that Katie is by far the strongest in her class if not the school. There are two gyms a north gym (male) and south gym (female). TimMar 08 2021 5:58pm How does it feel for you guys, James? I mean if you are go out and you guys are smaller or almost that big like the girls? Did you also experienced a situation Weakling wrote about? Did you already ask one of the girls, also in public for help with things you are to weak for? I did, and i don’t know why i shouldn’t do that. If there is something to heavy or there is an impossible to open a glas, of course i ask my girlfriend. She has the muscles and is much stronger than me. If we meet her girl friends who also workout it’s absolute normal that also their boyfriends do it in the same way. Anyhow i see more often couples who the man is small and weak and the girl is big and strong. Did you already seen which weights Maya and Rhiannon use for their workout. I can imagine it’s pretty high weights. My girlfriend calls the weight she’s using girl weights. The toy weights for men she calls little men weights. It’s a pretty big difference between them. Henni Mar 08 2021 9:30pm It is also for you no new experience that women can be stronger than men Tim? Why do you have a gym for women and one for men at your location? Is this their reaction to the different training need to women and men? Henni Mar 08 2021 9:42pm I really rely on Maya for anything that has to do with strength as she is far stronger than me. I rely on her for literally all the “heavy liftingâ€. She has moved quite a few things for me including about 15 cinder blocks at one point. She also opens lids of jars in my lunch for me. I haven’t really seen them workout most of their body, but I’ve seen maya casually and easily curling 35 lb dumbbells in each hand at lunch a few times, and Rhiannon was doing the same just as easily with 30 lb weights. JamesMar 08 2021 11:07pm No I’m not entirely new to women being stronger than men, but I did t think a little 12 year old girl could be so strong. The reason the gyms have separated is to prevent cross workouts for sports. Katie briefly visited today and she is still pretty strong. When she showed up to my house to hang out with my daughter pretty quickly she hugged me at the door, though she didn’t do anything crazy her hug was pretty tight. After about 45 minutes she left my daughter’s room and asked me how I’d been doing and we talked for a bit. She walked up to me and hugged me again thanking me and picking me up by the legs and lower torso again. She then said “I’m gonna kidnap you.†And she ran out the open door, holding me in her hug. I levied myself out of her hug by pushing off her shoulders (which were hard and quite round). She then pushed my waist against my front door and pinned me to it for a few seconds and released me and left. TimMar 08 2021 11:14pm Wow, thats Impressive. I think training weights in that range are normal for girls. Men use normally between 15 or 25 lb. I struggle already to lift 25 lb multiple times, 30 lb is f*cking heavy. 35 lb? It would be a dream for me to be that strong. My girlfriend use similar weights but also up to 60 lb for curls. That’s absolute impossible for me to lift not even with both arms. What is your weight for curls? I guess as average man you use also around 20 lb to 25 lb max, right? Henni Mar 08 2021 11:27pm I can imagine it’s surprisingly. But i think girls start with girl gym classes pretty early these days. Moreover Katie is into sport since years. No wonder that she’s strong. Maybe you can ask her if she’s working out and how she working out. Maybe it will help her to get an explanation that she must be careful with her strength. I remember when i was much younger, always i was admonished if i was to rough to a girl because boys were considered as stronger. Today girls are stronger pretty often but i think they will not be advised that they should be more carefull to weaker boys. Henni Mar 09 2021 1:17am The most I can curl is 20 for 1 rep. I’ve seen maya curl a 45 lbs dumbbell for 1 rep. JamesMar 09 2021 5:26am Yeah maybe. Katie is coming over to my house later today to hang out with my daughter for a little bit again and I will talk to her about her strength TimMar 09 2021 5:29am Hey James, sorry to say that but 20 lb for one curl is not that much. May I ask you how old are you? Maya is really strong. I know no man who can curl that much except these guys who also workout seriously in the gym. But i see such guy pretty rarely in the gym. How much can Rhiannon curl at max.? What does Jasmine say because of the other girls who are in average much stronger than the guys. Do you think she will change her mind? I think she also knows how it feels like to be stronger than a guy. At the end she’s stronger than you. Henni Mar 09 2021 10:35am Hello Tim, did you talked with Katie? Did she tell to you why she’s working out and what is her intention? Did she know that she should be careful to boys because they are weaker than her and she can hurt them pretty easy? The stronger one should protect the weaker one. Henni Mar 09 2021 10:39am Yeah sadly I know I’m 17. Maya is 15, jasmine is 17, and Rhiannon is 16. Rhiannon can curl 35 max. Jasmine said that maybe she will workout with maya as she does like being strong JamesMar 09 2021 11:06am Hello Henni, I have talked to Katie a little bit, although I have some time as she is still over at my house right now. I asked her a bit about how and why she is so strong. She said that she works out so much because she loves to be strong, she loves to have power. She said having big muscles and being stronger than people is a great feeling for her and makes her feel safe, knowing she is strong enough to overpower most people she knows. She said it also helps with her development into a woman. She loves being strong and loves working out with her mom. She said she got so strong going to the gym with her mom and lifting heavy. She said she likes to lift 25 lb barbells for 11 reps. She also likes to squat 165 and does 12 pull ups and 27 push ups. She also said that some of her other exercise stats are 15 reps of 25 lb shoulder presses, and a 60 lb barbell curl. I don’t really know what some of those are, so hopefully you do. She is also pretty fast for her age as she can run a 8.5 minute mile. She said that she loves being so powerful. Then she went back to play with my daughter. Other than that, the only other things she really did were easily carry my daughter on her shoulders for a little bit. She also surprised me as at one point while I was vacuuming she asked if I wanted to see how strong she was. I said sure and she found an old dumbbell in my room (it was my grandfather’s) and it was 35 lbs. It took her a lot of effort, but she managed to curl it with one arm, though it would barely count. She then giggled and left. I picked it up and tried to curl it as well. I struggled just as hard and had to abandon proper form to curl it. Right before I finished vacuuming and making lunch (what I’m also doing right now) she snuck up behind me and hugged my stomach again. She lifted my feet off the floor again and this time she squeezed. My breath escaped and I made an oof sound. She giggled and squeezed me four more times. After the two other times I had no oxygen left and made a creaking/groaning noise, so she stopped. She then hugged me around the arms and pulled me away from the vacuum. She said “this is also why I like being strong.†She stopped in the living room and held the hug continuously hugging slightly tighter each second. She had me in a good hold and I couldn’t really bend my elbows, so I couldn’t try to separate her hands out in front of me. So I started pressing outwards with my shoulders and arms. I felt her grip loosen with my effort than tighten with hers, and this went on for about 2 minutes before my daughter called for her and she significantly loosened her grip and I escaped. I will see what else she does, and will also talk to her about her strength to boys later. TimMar 09 2021 11:41am Ok, you are young. I think for a young man this is the average strength. I’m almost 26 yo and i have worked out a couple of years. Because of this i can curl 25 lb for reps. For a man i’m not weak but of course i can’t keep up to most girls. For girls most men are very weak. But what can we do? Nowadays we men are simply the weaker sex. I can imagine that Jasmine think this way. Which girl these days want to be such a weakling like a man? By the way what’s John’s max curl weight? Henni Mar 09 2021 12:14pm Tim, the only thing i can say is wow. Most girls start working out when they are 12. Therefore many of them can overpower a young man when they turned 14 or 15. It’s obviously that she’s playing sport that long. And she has a good teacher in her mother. I can imagine her mother is not only very strong but pretty big. Maybe she’s a female bodybuilder. In that case i believe it’s normal for her that men are much weaker than women and she knows that she will grow much bigger than most men. Most likely she want a boyfriend who is much weaker and smaller than her. She’s really far developed already. How i wrote in the post before this one i’m 26 but i would not be able to keep up with her. In all this exercises you mentioned from her i can’t use the weight or i can’t do so many reps. Henni Mar 09 2021 12:35pm Henni I went to the gym with maya and Rhiannon today and got their lifts. Maya: 45 lbs curls in each hand for 5 reps; Maya can squat 260lbs; Maya can do 16 pull ups and 45 push ups; she can also do a push up with me on her back; and she can bench 165 lbs. Rhiannon can curl 35lbs for 8 reps; Rhiannon can squat 215 lbs; Rhiannon can do 16 pull ups and 40 push ups JamesMar 09 2021 1:08pm It’s incredible how much the girls can lift, James. If i would workout next to them they would laugh over me most likely. I imagine that they make fun of me when they say: look at this weakling how he struggle with 25 lb dumbbells. Rhiannon comes over to me, take a 30 lb dumbbell and curl it easily and endless while she says to me: look at these muscles, weak boy. Then she give to me the 30 lb dumbbell and ask: can you curl this girl dumbbell, weak boy? Well i can do this with much effort one or maybe two times but all would see that it’s really hard for me. Maybe also you laughing but i’ve really experienced that story. Luckily i was not the poor guy. Henni Mar 09 2021 2:26pm I couldn’t blame you. They are both extremely strong. I wasn’t nearly as strong as them for a single workout JamesMar 09 2021 2:37pm Well, i think the difference between us is not that big how the difference is between me and the girls. So it’s obviously we are much weaker. Did you also seen how much Jasmine can curl? And what is with John? Did you have seen how big the girls biceps are? Henni Mar 09 2021 2:58pm Jasmine lifted a bit. She only really tried 3 things she curled a 25 lb dumbbell for 6 reps, she squatted 160 and she could do 10 pull-ups. All fairly strong versus me. I could only curl a rep on 20lb dumbbells with a struggle, could squat 130, bench 70, and can’t do a pull up. John can curl 30lb dumbbells for 7 reps, squat 205, do 11 pull ups, 35 push ups and bench 120. We didn’t measure their biceps, but Rhiannon’s was larger than mine fairly noticeably, but wasn’t perfectly toned. Maya’s was about the same size as Rhiannon’s being just a bit bigger but was perfectly toned pure muscle. Jasmine’s were a tiny bit bigger than mine and a little bit more solid than mine, but still smaller than either of the other girls. JamesMar 09 2021 3:36pm Katie left about an hour ago. I made them macaroni and cheese with beef burger. My daughter and Katie both enjoyed it. My daughter relayed me with a hug, grabbed her tablet, and went to her room. I pulled Katie to the side to speak to her. I asked if she was stronger than the boys in her class, and she smiled, looked me in the eyes and said “I’m probably the strongest person in the school.†I looked at her and said “ yeah.. I could see that.†I asked her to tell me a little more about her training routine. She also dropped some personal stats. She said she weighs 117 lbs and that she loves working upper body. She goes to the gym 5 days a week and works out one more time at home each day, with each workout being between half an hour and an hour. Monday she hits biceps, triceps and shoulders, Tuesday she hits glutes and legs, Wednesday she hits shoulders and chest, Thursday she hits shoulders, arms, and back, and Saturday she hits fully body and yoga. I then told her she should hold back against her peers and especially young boys, as from what I’ve seen, she’s far stronger than them. She flexed her right bicep as hard as she could and her bicep bigger than an orange popped out and she said “with this bad boy, I always have to hold back. I could crush so many people. It’s awesome being so strong, but it sucks there aren’t really any people I can use my strength on without holding back somewhat.†I then asked “what about me? You can use your strength on me fully.†She said “really?†I said sure, after all, you have before.†She smirked and hung her head and said “I only used about 90% of my strength against you so far. You’re a really nice guy and a parent of my best friend, so I didn’t want to embarrass you.†I said “well you may be able to, but don’t worry about it, I won’t hold it against you. I promise†she then excitedly smiled and we cleared the table and set it up so we could arm wrestle since that’s what she wanted. She said before we started “don’t be too sad if you lose. I basically train biceps and arms four times a week.†And we began. On the count of three she almost instantly forced my hand down 3/4 of the way. Actually arm wrestle she felt extremely strong, even stronger than when she tried to pin me. I couldn’t tell if it was because this contest isolated specific muscles on the arm, or if her 100% was just that much stronger. I leaned right up close to my arm and started pulling with all of my bodily energy in that arm back towards Katie’s side of the table. As it went towards neutral I started adding my body weight to it as well to pin her down. The whole time Katie remained in the same position. Her bicep swelled to larger than orange size and was pure muscle. It swelled to almost ridiculous proportions on her relatively short arm. I could even see veins on her bicep. I got her back to neutral but every inch of my arm burned, and my arm was shaking like crazy, and her arm was shaking too. I leaned all my body weight into the push down and she stalled my push three quarters of the way down. She then pushed back to neutral, and by this point my arm felt like jelly and I looked like I would explode from the effort. She then began pushing my arm down when suddenly all force behind her hand stopped and I pushed her arm back with all my might and barely pinned her. She said “wow, you beat me that was a good arm wrestling match.†She was lightly panting and a little red with some sweat. I on the other hand was raggedly breathing drenched in sweat and red from the effort. I said “no, I did pretty good, but at the end you let me win.†Though she denied it, there is no doubt in my mind she did. After that she played with my daughter for quite a while until and hour before she had to leave. She said “I wanna play a game with you.†To me, so I said that we could play what she wanted and Katie said she was gonna kidnap me. I was reluctant but agreed. She pulled me off the couch onto my feet and lifted me again, squeezing the breath out of me all the way again. She then wrapped her arms fully around mine and dragged me towards the hallway closet. Like last time I tried to budge my way out, but she didn’t offer nearly as much budge and progressively tightened her grip. She finally managed to drag me into the closet. She shut the door and pinned my hands to the wall. I struggled, but her grip was steely. She then let go, grabbed my shirt collar and dragged me down to her eye level and said “see I kidnapped you, now what?†I then moved my arms up to her shoulders, grabbed them and started pulling myself, but she flexed hard and my hands fell off. She then pulled me by my shirt up and about a quarter of an inch off the ground and slammed me into the wall. I moaned in pain and she let go apologizing profusely. I accepted her apology, but asked to return to the couch. I did and she did one more thing then her mom picked her up and she went home. JimMar 09 2021 8:33pm well James, it sounds I‘m almost as strong as Jasmine because i can lift barely more than her as well. In upperbody strength i’m near by her but especially i can‘t lift more in my lowerbody. Maybe i can do one or two reps more with the 25 lb dumbbell but then i have to struggle pretty hard. Overall, compare my upper and lower body strength to hers and you see the usual picture. Jasmine is also stronger than me also if it is not much. But i‘m sure after she starts working out she will use the typical girl dumbbells who for an average man to heavy. By the way you wrote that John curled 30 lb for 7 reps while Rhiannon curl 35 lb for 8 reps. It obviously show that she is already stronger than John. Is this the result of her actuall workout or did John not used his full strength to curl that 30 lb dumbbell? Henni Mar 10 2021 12:58am Tim, it seems Katie is really an early bird at this point. Most girls who workout are able to overpower a man when they are 14 or 15 but not already with 12. But i think because she already workout since a long time and because her mom is doing power lifts, she has her mom as role model. You can hear in her anwers that men from her view are basically weaker than women. She know that she‘s stronger than men and obviousely than you too. I think one important point for her is that no man can do anything to her. I think you can take a look to her mom she copied a lot from her. Most likely her mom is a big strong women who not hide that she is muscular. Did you see her mom when she picket up Katie or did you even had a talk wit her? Henni Mar 10 2021 2:24am Yeah I’ve seen her mom before and we’ve talked a bit, though not about that. Her mom is pretty tall, she’s about my height and she’s lean and muscular. TimMar 10 2021 5:40am Henni, I’m pretty sure this is the result of working out. Judging from a lot of Tim’s previous comments, Rhiannon and Katie are quite similar. Rhiannon also loves to train arms especially, so she’s been doing that 5 workouts out of 5 a week. She works out her arms everyday she goes to the gym. Jon only goes to the gym three times a week and only works out arms 1 time. JamesMar 10 2021 5:47am I just realized that in my previous post about Katie I just said “and she did one other thingâ€. I will explain that now. Near the end of Katie’s stay my daughter had to do homework, so Katie decided she’d go out in the living room with me, and promptly sat on the couch next to me. I was watching the cooking channel and was watching a special on how to cook steak in multiple ways. Katie commented that she loved steak and ate it a lot to fuel herself. She then asked how much I ate. I generally like to remain pretty slim so I run in the morning and do some yoga and walk quite a lot throughout the day and have a 1,600 calorie diet, so I told her that. She told me that recently because of her sports and exercise her mom increased her meal plan to 3,100 calories per day, as her mother said it will increase muscle mass quite a bit. Now I understood why she was so happy with my cooking. She sat there for a couple of minutes and spoke to me a bit more when she went back to my grandfather’s weights and got the 25 and 30 lbs dumbbells. She then said she’d hit a small workout real quick and started curling the 25. She curled the 25 for 11 reps and then said “I’m gonna go for a new max†and curled for four more reps in each hand, and cranked out an extra in her right arm. I was only occasionally glancing directly, but mostly watched from my periphery. At the end her arms were pretty pumped. They were back near arm wrestling size, and she then told me “check this out.†And grabbed the thirty. She curled it 9 times in right and 8 in her left. She was now sweating a bit, but she was really pumped. Her biceps were ridiculous, and the muscle she had was now definitely bigger, and rounder than mine. She even had veins, and her forearms were even pumped a little. She was also lightly glistening with sweat. She then did her 27 push ups and with her pump grinded through another 9 more. She then asked me to workout with her. I didn’t really workout much, but I agreed. I took the 25 lbs and began curling around rep 8 I got tired, and by rep 10 my left hand gave out, and at rep 13 my right hand gave out. I was sweating a bit, and pumped, but it wasn’t crazy. I then grabbed the 30’s, and they’re pretty heavy. With quite a bit of effort, I only got 4 curls in with my left, and I got in 6 with my pumped right hand. I could only do 20 push ups. She then cranked out 15 pull ups maximum. I struggled doing 4 pull ups. She then said “can you come here real quick?†I agreed and she squatted down and said “get on my back real quick I wanna try something.†She then squatted me, and she squatted me eight times. I could feel the muscles in her body writhing, and was honestly a little scared of this twelve year old girl. She was stronger than me in every conceivable way. The only advantage I had was I could run a 6.5 minute mile. She then said “not bad huh?â€â€™ I told her that she did good. When her mom came we spoke a bit, and we may be going on a date soon. TimMar 10 2021 9:07am Tim, has she bigger muscles overall than you? What was your feeling when you talked with her? Was she competitive and self confidence? Did she speak to you with a kind of dominance in her voice? I think a lot strong women nowadays see men as weak boys. What’s your experience? HenniMar 10 2021 9:38am James, i’m sure that one result of the girls training is that they so much stronger than we men nowadays. Read what Tim wrote about Katie but also take a look to the girls around you. With my girlfriend and my old girlfriends i realized it again and again and also my current girlfriends gym mates. All of them are stronger than we men. I think nowadays, since girls found their potential they love working out. So the men are basically the weaker sex now.. Henni Mar 10 2021 9:51am Katie’s muscles are bigger than mine, pretty much without exception. I felt a little intimidated talking to her, though also I felt fine, I mean she is a nice young girl, but her strength doesn’t make her feel like a young girl. She was kind of competitive and certainly confident, but also kind of sly. She was being nice and wasn’t trying to humiliate me too bad. She sees herself as stronger than me and basically stronger than almost everyone she knows, and I will say she is by and far the strongest 12 year old I’ve ever seen. TimMar 10 2021 9:56am Wow, Katie is really already much stronger than average man. I think you are also pretty fit because of your routine. I see this because of your strength. You are pretty strong. But i think also compared to Katie you have no chance. With her training routine it’s no wonder that she is the strongest at her school. You are a lucky guy. What do you think about that strong woman? So far i understood she’s not smaller than you. Depends how much she will bulk up her body then you are a small man compared to her. Please let us know how the date was running. Henni Mar 10 2021 10:06am You are right Tim, she really very strong for her age. I’m curious about her mom. She’s most likely bigger and more muscular, isn’t it? Do you was intimidated when you talked to her mother? With her training background she much stronger than you for sure. But anyway, Katie is young but play sports half of her life. It’s normal that she’s stronger than men. Most girls, i met in all my life did working out. They don’t want to be that weak like a guy. Henni Mar 10 2021 10:15am By the way Tim, take a look to James post. Did you read how much Maya or Rhiannon can curl? Maya is 15 and Rhiannon is 16 and they are that strong how girls nowadays simply are. You are strong but compared to this girls you are also weak. Henni Mar 10 2021 10:31am Hey Henni, I like strong women well enough, as I said my ex wife was kind of athletic. Katie is shorter than me by maybe a foot, but she’s not really small compared to me. Her muscles are quite big so she is wide and thick. Her upper body is really big, especially for her age. This isn’t that surprising since she mainly works out her upper body. Her shoulders are quite wide and very large and rounded with visible muscle, her biceps are a little short, but they are very round. When she isn’t flexing, her arms are pretty noticeably thick, and you can see her bicep a bit at rest. When she does flex, her bicep swells to a sphere of muscle larger than an orange or possibly the size of a very large orange. Her forearms are also quite thick and her triceps are fairly pronounced to. She likes to wear tank tops or t-shirts to show off, so I’ve seen her upper body quite a bit. Her back is well developed too, with pronounced muscles. Her abdomen is also muscular but not super toned she only has a 4 pack, but it’s fairly defined. Her upper body is very firm and hard in feel as well. Her legs are also fairly large, she has defined quad and big thighs, but they’re not super huge for her age, not like her upper body. She is currently bulking according to her and her mom, so she probably will get bigger.her mom is bigger and more muscular, though she’s not exactly as bulky as her daughter, her mom is toned and tall, but Katie is bulky and stocky. Her mom is stronger than her for now at least. Her mom’s muscles are more pronounced. Though I was a bit intimidated talking to her mom, it wasn’t too bad because I’m not super shocked if an athletic grown woman is stronger than me. Katie intimidates me because despite her extreme youth and being sixteen years younger than me, she is stronger than me. I don’t mind it too much, but it is a scary thought. Though her mother is quite nice and I believe my date with her mother will go quite nicely. Katie’s mom said that the most Katie could curl ever with all her effort was 35lbs in her right for 5 reps and for 4 reps in her left. So Maya and Rhiannon are crazily strong. Katie is actually kind of close to Rhiannon in strength, so that’s pretty interesting. Maya though, is a fair bit stronger than Katie and only three years younger. Maya could absolutely crush me. She can almost squat two of me, she could bench me, and she comfortably lifts 20 lbs more than I can in each arm, not to mention she outweighs me by 45 lbs and is an inch taller than me. Even Rhiannon is very strong compared to me. She is handily stronger than me in upper body, as she is stronger than Katie, and she can squat me easily as well. She could probably easily squat me for reps too. Her and maya would absolutely destroy me. TimMar 10 2021 11:41am Also, judging by maya’s squat she could probably deadlift over 300 pounds, which is far heavier than anything I can do. Rhiannon too should be quite strong. Though she probably wouldn’t be able to deadlift over 300, she’d be pretty close to it. TimMar 10 2021 11:46am Thank you for your post. You are right Tim, you mentioned that your ex wife is athletic and a little stronger than you. By your description i can imagine that Katie is the strongest at her school. Even though she’s shorter than you, it looks, that she is bigger than you nevertheless. That you are intimidated by her i can fully understand. When my met my previous girlfriends first time i was also always very intimidated. I observed them in the gym of the sport club i’m a member since around 15 years. Because i knew that they were quite a lot stronger than me i was intimidated. Moreover some of them were also not only bigger but m taller than me. It was the time when girls try how they can have affect of the boys. Sometimes my girlfriends wore heels so i was even shorter. The same like Katie some wore clothes who emphasize their muscular body especially. So for me and the other boys it was always obvious that we have far smaller muscles and because of this we are also way weaker than the girls. Well, with the time when i was growing i became taller but i stayed slim up to now. Also nowadays i’am a member of this sport club but of course there are some new female members. These girls are also younger than me, maybe 15, but because of their workout clear stronger and they have also pretty big muscles. Often i’m smaller than these girls and they love to show of to me that they have the muscles and not the man have it. Did you read the story i wrote about girls who made fun over a weak a man? It was in this gym. These guy was working out hard with a weight he was barely not able to lift and the girls showed to him that they could still easily lift a weight even heavier than his weight. While they do so they laughed over him and called him weakling. I can imagine it was an unpleasant situation for this poor guy. Hopefully Katie and the other girls are nice to weak guys. Henni Mar 10 2021 2:03pm Yeah hopefully, but I’m sure she will be. She didn’t bully me after all. TimMar 10 2021 2:11pm I gotta say though, I wonder if James is scared of maya. She is honestly crazy strong and she’s bigger than James and taller than him. She’s taller and bigger than me too, so she would probably scare me a little. TimMar 10 2021 2:12pm Yes Tim, I think the most girls stay nice to weaker guys also if they sometimes going crazy. But nevertheless sometimes it’s a little weird because of course the girls enjoy the physical power advantage they have over guys. I don’t know if you read my posts in the upper area of this poll. Almost all my girlfriends i had were stronger than me. I learned that girls prefer their boyfriend on very varied way. At first i have to say most of my girlfriends have a warm and nice character. But i had also one girlfriend who loved it to make me submissive. I have to admit sometimes i was a little nasty. But these girlfriend was not only very dominant, if she thought i’m to nasty , it could happen that she has beaten me up. She liked me soft, quietly and scared. I knew if i do anything she don’t want she will lay me over knee and hit my butt. Luckily my next girlfriend was not that mad but she also liked that i am submissive. She don’t wanted me scared and so she consoled me but if you got beatings from a girl for this and that, you can’t forget it that fast. But she was more nice and she actually never beat me up. But of course she loved to show off who’s the boss, who is strong and who is weak. Another girlfriend was weaker than me when we come together. Actual it was a little unusual for me but now i wanted to be the stronger one in the relationship. Sometimes we arm wrestled and it was not easy for to beat her but i won nearly always. Of course, the power lifting topic for girls came up again and again. One day she told me proudly she had joined a gym to became a member. At first i was speechless but on the other hand - i’m attracted to strong girls. Well she started her workout routine and changed her nutrition and step by step she made progress. At first i realized it was more and more hard to beat her at arm wrestling or at least to prevent that she beat me. But more and more often i lost and at after a while it was only the question how long i can resist until she defeat me. Someday while we arm wrestled i realized that she plays with me. I put all my power into this match and it seemed she hold my hand in top position and fight to resist to me. Sometimes she let push me her hand a little in the one direction, then she pushed my hand back. I gave all i had but i was already pretty exhausted. Suddenly she said to me that she will be exhausted also if i’m not exhausting finally and give up. I don’t know why but i tried my best but she pushed my hand down within seconds. Later she showed she can beat me within seconds. This was really humiliating but also exciting. Anyway a special point was, she was 15 and i was 20. She was so proud that she had an 5 years older, but nevertheless weaker boyfriend. She also loved to show her friends that she could easily hold me down. My current girlfriend and me are since 4 years in a relationship. We know each other since our youth. At this time she also started power lifting. Today she’s much bigger with impressive muscles. She also loves to train her upper body. She has big round shoulders and a impressive big bicep peak. I’m much smaller than her and maybe half as strong as she is. She’s 5’ 10†to my 6’ 1†and sometimes when she wear high heels i’m also shorter than her. She’s a very warm person and has a nice kind to dominating me but she also is a nice lovely girl. I have not to be submissive but sometimes it turns her on. Henni Mar 10 2021 4:55pm The youngest girl who is stronger than me is my friend Alex’s sister Danielle. I had just turned fifteen at this time, and for context he lived on my street about eight houses down, so I’d walk there and hang out often. At this time Danielle had turned 12. I was average enough height for my age but pretty skinny and Danielle was kind of tall for her age (a fair bit but not a lot shorter than me) and a bit slim, but not skinny. More like trim I guess. Anyways, she was more active around her house when we were that age. Her room was in their downstairs hallway a room down and to the left of their main bathroom while Alex’s room was upstairs at the end of the hallway. For whatever reason since the beginning of that year every time I’d go to the bathroom downstairs she’d sneak up behind me and somehow lift me off the ground. There was a mirror in the bathroom that would give a view of the hallway if the bathroom door was open, and one day on one of my visits it was. I walked down the hall and saw her sneak out of her room, but I pretended not to notice. I then turned to look at a painting a bit in front of the bathroom door, but in my periphery I looked in the mirror as a focus. She snuck up behind me, bent her knees so she was almost crouching down, wrapped her arms around my thighs and bolted straight up quickly hoisting me off the ground. Then she dropped me and would giggle and return to her room. Like I said she was a bit shorter than me and trim built, so I found her ability to do this a bit confusing to say the least. One day after that when I was over Alex and I were playing Injustice gods among us, and Danielle was watching us. After a couple rounds I paused and said I needed to go on a bathroom break. Up to this point I was winning the game, and as I left I noticed Danielle leave too. She walked next to me and said “nice job winning. I knew you could beat my big brother.†She then hugged me. I had to go to the bathroom kind of bad at this point, and she held me still and was hugging quite tight. I could feel my bladder loosening so I struggled with all of my might, and she seemed to lose her grip. I said “sorry I gotta go pee.†And ran down the hall barely making it to the bathroom. The next time I came over we had a bit of a pizza party for our spring break, and Alex finished and went to the bathroom and said he’d join me upstairs when I was done. As he entered the bathroom suddenly Danielle placed her elbow on the table in front of me when I’d finished the pizza, and challenged me to an arm wrestle. I declined on the admittedly lame principle that I don’t arm wrestle girls. (Truthfully I was a bit curious and concerned at how strong she might be, since I still didn’t really get how she lifted me like she did, given how she was no hulking giant or anything and actually was quite trim and shapely) she then goaded me after I declined her by saying “what big guy, afraid you’ll lose?†I denied it, she laughed and said “that’s fine, because you’d be easy to beat†and flexed her arm. Her muscle was pretty impressive for what I’d thought she’d have. Her muscle was probably not quite as generally big as mine, it was maybe half an inch shorter, but it was really distinct, it was shaped exactly like you expect when you imagine muscles, and was far more distinguished from her arm than my muscle was. She then said “feel it, volleyball gave me real muscles.†I put my thumb on one side of it and my index finger on the other and squeezed to virtually no impact. “Oh my... that’s really rock solid†I virtually gasped out. She was eyeing me with a look on her face like she realized I was intimidated. She didn’t make any further moves, but the rest of my visit, she seemed to be sizing me up. The next time I came over we had subway sandwiches, and Alex finished his going upstairs saying he’d meet me up there when I finished eating. She was actually aggressive once he’d left, she came up behind me pulled me out of the chair form my shirt collar and with her left arm pinned my right arm behind my back and put me in a head lock with her right arm. I was totally caught by surprise by this, and reflexively grabbed and pulled her forearm away from my neck, before teasing her “is that all you got Danielle?†I was kind of in the floor on my knees at this point for context, but Danielle looked at me excitedly and smiled before saying “no!†She then flexed her arm and brought her forearm right back to my neck. She then leaned back and said gleefully “ I’m stronger!†She pulled me upwards from my head and neck, making me stand, but as she got on her tippie toes I had to arch my back over her a bit so I could stand (since I was taller than her) she the pulled down with her right arm, and caused my head and neck to be on her shoulder with her weight and gravity pulling my neck and head down while my body stood above her. Her grip which was strong before was now like a vice strangling me. I felt really light headed and kind of dizzy, so I tried to lean forward, but her grip got worse, and she put her right leg in between my legs. I was super light headed at this point and worried about passing out. She then twisted her body to the left and with her right arm pivoted my neck and head to the right fast and hard before letting go, throwing me over her legs with one arm and our momentums combined. I toppled over and started panicking in a coughing fit finally able to breathe again, and just as I did Alex came down and asked what happened to me. Danielle said “he was choking on his last bit of sandwich so I did the Heimlich on him.†After I regained my breath and stopped coughing I thanked her for “saving me†and agreed to her ‘interpretation’ of events out of embarrassment. I wrestled with the notion that she could be stronger than me for sometime and when I returned to Alex’s again she would set out to prove it. She typically wore kind of form fitting long sleeve shirts and athletic pants most of the time. However, upon this visit she wore a short sleeve shirt with her sleeves rolled up all the way to nearly the collar, and was wearing very tight leggings. When I first came over Alex, Danielle, and I all watched tv for a bit. The whole time she sat next to me and if I saw her in my periphery she would flex her arms a bit. She also would bump into me and push her shoulder, triceps, thighs, and butt against mine, so I could feel how firm she was. She was kind of shockingly fit. With all of her tight clothes and exposed flesh I could see how big her muscles were, and while none of them were extremely massive or anything, she was really surprisingly tone for a 12 year old. I could see her tricep when she wasn’t flexing, and her bicep had defined lines even when not flexing. Her legs were quite big, and her butt was big and round. Her abdominal muscles were even slightly visible through her tight tank top. After a bit we quit watching TV, and she went to her room downstairs and Alex and I went upstairs to play video games. After about two hours of playing I told him I had to go to the bathroom and I’d probably be awhile. He said that was cool and he started playing a game by himself. I went downstairs and to the bathroom, but as I passed Danielle’s room I noticed it was empty. I went into the bathroom and did what I had too. As I was washing my hands I noticed the shower curtains flung open, but i was too slow and suddenly Danielle grabbed me in a Nelson and leaned back. Separating my feet from the floor and carried me that way into her room. I had actually finished far quicker than I’d imagined so only about a minute had passed since I left Alex’s room. I thought about yelling, but her doing whatever she was gonna do seemed better than embarrassing myself by being overpowered by this little girl and asking for help. We entered her room and she shut it with her foot. She then put her left forearm against my neck and pinned me to the wall while she locked the two locks on her door with her right hand. She then then said “make a muscle.†I did and she said “it’s a little bigger than I thought it’d be, so you’re not just skin and bones.†She reached out and felt it and said “it’s not bad sized, but it’s basically mashed potatoes in density.†She flexed and said “feel the difference.†I squished my bicep, and it was a bit hard but could be manipulated and squished readily. I felt hers, and had no impact at all. She then said “oh I wanna try something I learned out on you.†She then aggressively and tightly grabbed my back, almost instantly lifting me off the ground with more force than she had ever used before, and she arched her back backwards and suplexed me onto her bed. I was dazed by this, and she followed it up by getting on top of me , grabbing my wrists and driving them into the bed. I was shocked by how heavy this slim girl felt. She felt like a pile of bricks on me, and my wrists were being crushed and I couldn’t even budge and inch, not to mention I couldn’t move her off me. She then said “admit it.†I asked what, when she started pulling my wrists outwards, stretching my arms and causing some pain. I yelped out as quickly as I could “okay okay you’re way stronger than me. You’re stronger. I submit.†She thanked me let me go and unlocked her room before pushing me into the hall and shutting it. She never really did that again, she would occasionally tease me with her strength but nothing like that again. I always wondered how on earth she got so strong with out being really buff. MarcusMar 11 2021 9:02am Hey Marcus, thank you for sharing. I think nowadays all of us made the experience like yours that a girl proof her strength to a boy and you can believe, Many women and girls workout regulary in opposite to men. Therefore you can find a lot girls who are stronger than men. Did you made other experiences with her or women who are stronger than you and most men? Weakling Mar 11 2021 10:45am Yeah weakling, she has shown her strength to me more since then. She likes to trap me in her grasp now and likes to hold me there until I whisper in her ear that she’s stronger, or until someone else notices I haven’t gotten out of her hold yet. The worst she ever did was when I arrived at Alex’s before his parents were going to the store she walked in behind me and hugged me. I was mid sentence and she gave me a monstrous bear hug. She squeezed her arms into her body as hard as possible, made me squeal out my air, and her pulling me made my body curl into itself a little, so my legs retracted off the floor towards my chest and my head bent down towards my chest a little. So she had just squeezed the breath out of me and was no holding me in a curled up state (a little) off the ground in front of my best friend and his parents. She then swung me back and forth twice and put me down. For the rest of that day everyone was complimenting her strength and she kept testing me and nearly proving she was stronger all day. The final thing she did was put both hands under my crotch and lifted me off the floor. It hurt quite a bit and was really embarrassing. MarcusMar 11 2021 10:57am Tim and henni, the experiences you made happens more and more often. In my friend circle i know a lot women who are stronger than men. Some men can’t accept that women nowadays stronger than men but most of them will be confronted with reality. They need only to go in a gym and they see women all ages who workout very hard and serious. What you guys wrote i have also seen. Men use for biceps curls between 15-25 lb, sometimes they use even 30lb. Women use more often 30lb and some very strong women use even 50lb and more. Except men who also workout seriously, show me a men who can use that weight? I think you wont find a men. If you see an average man in a gym he is generally much weaker than the women there. Lf course these women are proud to their muscular body and i think they love to show themselves to the weak men as the stronger sex. Weakling Mar 11 2021 11:00am She wanted you wisper to her that she is stronger than you? If i see such a situation or i experienced it by myself most girls want to show their strength and they want that all other guys around them got notice of it. When my girlfriend carried anything who‘s to heavie for me after she put it down she flex her arm and want that i kiss her superior muscle and say, so many thanks that you carry that heavy stuff. I‘m not that strong like you and whould not able to carry it. Weakling Mar 11 2021 11:15am I let Katie come over again and she was really set on proving her dominance for some reason. TimMar 11 2021 11:26am Weakling, well I begged her not to humiliate me so she is accepting it for now MarcusMar 11 2021 11:28am Yeah weakling I agree it is becoming much more common TimMar 11 2021 11:28am Well tim, i think after she prooved, that she‘s stronger than you, shes proud that she could made a man admiting, that he‘s weaker than her. Now i think the borderlines a clear, she is the strong girl and you are the weakling. Weakling Mar 11 2021 12:33pm Marcus, you‘re lucky guy i think. Most strong girls don‘t let a weakling say anything to her. Or do you have a deal with her? Weakling Mar 11 2021 12:37pm Yeah you are quite probably correct weakling. Katie only stayed here for 2 hours today, but for those two hours she showed off her strength compared to me way more than usual. My daughter was doing homework for the first hour Katie arrived, so she had nothing to do for the first hour. She sat on the couch next to me when she realized Katie was doing homework and she watched tv for a little bit with me. (I was watching Rehab addict, which I hardly care about) Katie then scooted next to me on the cushion right next to me and she said “My mom said you guys are dating now.†I blushed and said “well it’s not totally concrete yet, but it is possible.†Katie then said “well, that’s pretty cool. Just warning you though, I’m quite a handful.†I said “no you’re fine, you haven’t been any trouble in my experience.†She said “just know, I like to goof off with my mom quite a bit, and if you date her I’ll have to goof off with you too.†I said “that’s fine, just don’t do anything too extreme.†We watched tv for another 5 or 10 minutes and I kind of had to use the restroom so I stood up, but as I stood up Katie grabbed my waist and pulled me onto her lap. I said “Katie, now is not the best time to play I have to-“ and she wrapped her legs around mine, and pinned her feet to the couch, pinning my legs and she grabbed my arms with hers and held my wrists against her thighs. She said “here you are. Now we’ll play hostage.†She spent about a minute or two just flexing her legs and making my hands feel her muscles. She let go after that and said “just kidding.†And I went to the restroom. As soon as I finished and opened to door, Katie stood in front of the door and picked me up at the legs. She then layer me on the ground and pinned me. She grabbed my shirt collar pulled me up and put me in a headlock. I struggled but couldn’t get out, and after 20 seconds I was terrified I couldn’t bust out so I tapped her leg and then She let go. She was beaming and said I am so much stronger than you I can do what ever. She hugged me in my lower stomach and angled my body so I was looking down at her upper body (she was wearing a thin strap tank top) and said “watch this show.†She then squeezed. For a second I was amazed as her whole back writhed and her muscles moved and popped out, her shoulders enlarged even more and I could feel her biceps against my ribs, but then it felt like I got snapped in half. I whimpered silently and my whole vision went black for a second, and I desperately grabbed her shoulders and shook her. She let the squeeze go and I collapsed to the floor. I still couldn’t find my breath, and Katie realized she’d hurt me a little, so she put my left arm over her shoulders and behind her neck and lifted me in a side carry off the floor, and put me on the couch TimMar 11 2021 12:54pm Well weakling, she just hasn’t forced it out publicly yet. MarcusMar 11 2021 12:55pm Tim, i think she‘s humiliating you that way, you don’t think so? A lot women treat their boyfriend that way to show him he is the weaker one and between girlfriend and boyfriend it can be absolutely ok because modern women are superior to many men. In old times women were often the toy for a man. Nowadays men are the toy for a woman. But i think the daugther of your potential girlfriend should not toy with you. Also if you are inferior to her she should accept you and should be careful to you because it’s obviously that she’s so much stronger than you. Maybe you should ask her to not use to much power to you. Say to her that in old times boys was told because they are stronger they have to be careful to girls. Nowadays while the roles changed and girls are stronger especially because girls are much more and earlier in power lifting than boys. I think at her school the strongest their are girls while the boys are more or less the weakest ones. Ask her to be a little bit more careful to you because you as man are weaker than her. Weakling Mar 11 2021 1:43pm Well Marcus, take that she don‘t do it! WeaklingMar 11 2021 2:01pm Sorry, i mean: take care... Weakling Mar 11 2021 2:05pm Yeah weakling, I’d say she was trying to humiliate me a little. She just enjoys playing with me now that she knows I’m weaker than her. She got a little carried away at times, but that’s how kids are. She’s a good kid usually, she just got a bit carried away today. The other stuff she did was fine though. Other than that stuff she just made me cook her a salmon filet. So I did and her myself and my daughter ate. I was doing dishes when Katie came from behind and grabbed my waist. She told me that we were playing a new game and that she was a monster. I had just finished washing the dishes so I said “I don’t know if we should play a game right now, we might in a minute.†She then lifted me from the waist and walked me to the living room before setting me down. She fake growled and grabbed at my knees. She took me down to the ground and pinned my hands. She then laughed and got up. I brought it up with her mom and said that she should look into practicing restraint against weaker people. TimMar 11 2021 4:00pm Hi Marcus, when i was neary 15 i had also a girlfriend who was 12 almost 13. We worked out together but she was working out 5 days a week a i was working out only one day a week. How it is usualy nowadays she surpassed me pretty quickly in physically power. When we were in gym mostly there were some other girls who worked out as well. Mostly i was the only boy and therefore i was also the weakest almost every time. I think girls are excited to show boys how strong they became and especially when they attracted to a boy. How Weakling it has mentioned, since many years the role change procceeds and girls wants for small weak boys nowadays. Also girls who not that sporty change their mind more and more often and start workout even pretty often power lifting. When James stated that Jasmine is not that sporty first i wondered if she dont had to go into the girl gym classes but after he gave the statistics of the girls it was clear that she was in a gym class in her school. After all she can lift dumbbells who are for boys already a pretty high level weight. And how James stated she wants to be stronger and start working out with maya. I think soon she will increase the gap use the typicall girl weights who are to much fot most men. Henni Mar 11 2021 11:43pm Well Weakling, i think because girls are mostly stronger than men we men have to accept that they can be overpowered by a girl and yes, men are toys for most girls. If you dont want this you can‘t change it anyway. Henni Mar 11 2021 11:48pm Hey Tim, i think the way you deal with Katie is absolutely ok. Also if she is younger, she is stronger than you and i think it‘s better to go her way. Imagine she would became angry. Moreover, if you date her mum you will be the weaker one anyways as well. I don‘t know how her opinion is on that point but many strong women prefer submissive men. And if she have a strict regime, it can be she wants you to obey not only to her but also to Katie. Henni Mar 12 2021 7:13am Hey Henni the date with Katie’s mom (Amanda) went well. So well that I went to her house for a bit, and I don’t know if Amanda wants me to obey both her and Katie, but she admitted that she didn’t mind Katie overpowering me, as she loves the fact that her little daughter is stronger than an adult man. She said that it was actually quite good to know that Katie can fight people off like that. She wanted to see just how good Katie was at that in fact. Amanda then asked me to see if I could remove Katie from the house with some force (Katie was in her room). I didn’t feel great about doing this but agreed I’d try. I snuck into Katie’s room, she was sitting on the floor, and I basically rear bear hugged her. I pulled her into a standing position, and all of the sudden she moved her butt into my hip and thrusted me onto her back as she arched to support me, she turned around backed up to the bed and quickly overpowered my hold around her. I quickly fell on the bed, and all of a sudden she grabbed my shirt and wrapped her arms around me as I had her. I couldn’t budge her and she squeezed the oxygen out of me. She then carried me while still squeezing off my circulation into her living room. Her mom smiled and told her “okay honey, let go, he was just testing you for me.†I was feeling really bad and was barely conscious but Katie let me go. Her mom then said “well it’s reassuring that if you attack Katie or if she attacks you, she’ll kill if she has to.†TimMar 12 2021 7:30am Hey Tim, i can imagine you felt bad. I would fear she could beat me up if i do that. But i think what was happened to you would be happend to nearly all men who mess wirh a girl. They would be overpowered and pinned from her. I think you are brave to ambush a girl. She could also hurting you badly. What did Amanda said after she have seen you are weaker than her daugther. How did you felt? If i understand you right Katie overpowered your full body within seconds, isn‘t it? How long would it take if Amanda would overpower you? Henni Mar 12 2021 9:19am I was embarrassed at the time and also concerned over how strong she is. And yes you are correct. As soon as I got Katie in the rear bear hug, she pivoted her hip and I fell on her back within two or three seconds and she backed up to her bed within two seconds, and she began busting out of my grip. It was crazy how it happened, she flexed her arms and pushed them out, basically in a second her muscles exploded out and forced my hands apart and she pushed her arms out and threw me off her back onto her bed. Her arms are ridiculously strong. Before when we arm wrestled she used to try quite a bit, although she wasn’t using her full strength, but now if she uses her full strength her arms are crazy strong. Amanda wanted to test Katie a few more times so I held her the same way four more times, and every time she was able to somewhat easily overpower my upper body, although the first time with adrenaline on her side she was able to totally overpower me in less than ten seconds, without the adrenaline it took her about 15 or 20 seconds to break out of my hold if I used every ounce of strength in my upper body. Then Amanda said for me and Katie to switch, and I struggled for literal minutes, and could never break out of Katie’s grip, so I submitted. I hugged Amanda in a similar way and within two seconds she totally overpowered me. TimMar 12 2021 9:49am Also I saw Katie’s mom curl a 55 lb dumbbell, and Katie lifted and nearly did a complete curl with a 40 lbs dumbbell. I struggled just to lift it with one arm, let alone curl it, and flatly couldn’t lift the 55lb dumbbell at all TimMar 12 2021 9:53am It‘s absolute crazy how big the strength difference is. To losing to a girl within a few seconds as man is humiliating. The females are really f*ck‘n strong. I could lift none of that weight‘s, not even one single time. Amanana is almost twice as strong as you and more than twice as me. It seems Amanda is similar strong as my girlfriend. She can also lift 55 lb. For me as man it‘s unimaginable to lift a that heavy dumbbell like that with one arm. Even with two it‘s hardly possible for me. I stand no chance against Amanda and also not against Katie. Did you do other strength tests against Amanda? How does she treating you after she proofed she‘s can easily dominate you? How do you look at her? Weakling Mar 12 2021 4:17pm Yeah weakling, we also arm wrestled, but that lasted for literally like a second and she would easily pin me with each arm. We leg wrestled too, and I also lost nearly instantly. Amanda has been more or less the same, she likes to occasionally show her strength, but in a sweet and romantic way, but Katie is constantly overpowering me just to do it. I quite enjoy Amanda doing it, but Katie does it quite a bit, and has even done it in front of my daughter twice now, so she embarrassed me and I’m a little scared of her. TimMar 12 2021 5:43pm You are right Weakling, men are often much weaker nowadays. When i have a strength comparson with her or one of her gym mates they beat me also in no second. I think grown women who workout are pretty often that strong. Only the young girls in my sport club need a little longer but mostly they beat me in 10 or 15 seconds. Of course i‘m humiliated each time if a 14 or 15yo girl beates me that easily. These girls workout since 2,3 or maybe 4 years and after this long time it pays back. They proof also to themself that a grown man is no problem anymore for them. Henni Mar 13 2021 12:06am I agree Henni, and many of them really enjoy it. Katie seems to really enjoy being stronger than me now TimMar 13 2021 12:11am James, what is with Maya, Rhiannon and Jasmine? Are they workout now together. I think some girls who dont want do workout to became stronger, will be see that men are normaly weaker than women nowadays. I‘m sure they will also start to workout to incease the physical power gap between men and themself. I think a little success Jasmine already had from her school can give her the kick. Henni Mar 13 2021 12:19am Maya and Rhiannon and jasmine all work out together. Jasmine is working out three times a week, Rhiannon is working out five times a week, and Maya is working out six times a week. Maya has even helped me work out a bit JamesMar 13 2021 12:22am Tim when your daughter has seen than Katie and her mum are so much stronger than you, what was in her mind? Henni Mar 13 2021 12:29am She said that it was awesome and she wants to get strong like Katie, and someday she hopes she can be strong like Amanda. I offered to help her get into lifting but she rejected and said she already asked Katie, and Katie was gonna help my daughter lift. My daughter said “I wanna get strong, but hopefully you can teach me to cook one day.†And given Katie’s bulging biceps and overwhelming power, I don’t blame my daughter and may ask Katie to train me too TimMar 13 2021 12:33am So my daughter is very excitedc TimMar 13 2021 12:33am Hey James, you try to workout as well? That’s cool but i can imagine you use far leighter weights and you are exhausted much earlier nevertheless, isn‘t it? Henni Mar 13 2021 12:33am But she doesn’t see me as strong at all anymore TimMar 13 2021 12:34am Yes, I lift lighter than and for less reps than Rhiannon and Maya in all stats JamesMar 13 2021 12:35am I think this can be a problem. You told me in your town they have a gym for men and one for women. I can imagine in the men gym they have only these little men dumbbells and in the women gym who they have girl dumbbells it‘s not allowed for you to enter or are they not that strict? I wonder why your daugter thought you are strong compared to women. You are a man and nowadays i think girls learn that men are weaker. Anyway, it sounds that you for a man are really strong. But i think your daugther has to participate in the school gym lessons for girls and i can imagine she‘s already pretty strong, you don‘t think so? Henni Mar 13 2021 12:44am James, what is with Jasmine, are you near by related to the weights you use or did she use more. Henni Mar 13 2021 12:46am There is no real rules for the gyms, just generally women prefer one and men prefer the other. So there are no rules, it just generally is that way, and people don’t usually go against that. My daughter has gone to her gym a bit at school. She’s pretty strong for a young girl, although she is a lot weaker than Katie, and is weaker than me too. She is probably about as strong as 3/4 or maybe even 85% of my strength. She can almost lift me but not quite. TimMar 13 2021 12:53pm Jasmine and I lift close to the same weights she between 5 and 15 lbs stronger in each lift, and usually has a rep or two more than me. JamesMar 13 2021 12:56pm ok, i got your point. But why prefere women the one gym and men the other one? Well when you can lift 30 lb and yor daugther can lift 3/4 or a little more, it‘s equal the weight i can use for reps. So i think also at your daugther the gym class has an effect. She‘s 12 and already equal strong as an average man. I‘m sure when she turns 14 or 15 she will be also stronger than most men. At this point she‘s average for a girl. What is your outcome with Amanda? Henni Mar 13 2021 1:35pm Amanda and I are dating, and it’s going pretty well. Although, she’s obviously stronger than me. Katie also has been showing me more of her strength. She also is now training me because she doesn’t want me to be too weak. TimMar 13 2021 1:38pm James, she has more endurance than you and because she is already a little stronger than you she has an advantage. I don‘t what the other boys in your circle lift but i can imagine that she ca keep up to John pretty soon and then i think she will surpass him also agter a short time. Then all you guys are weaker than the girls. Henni Mar 13 2021 1:41pm Did she train you in a gym? How do you feel be trained by a young girl. She is your trainer now, i understand it right? Did she tell you she don‘t want you too weak? What did you think when she told you? Henni Mar 13 2021 1:46pm My last post should be for James. Henni Mar 13 2021 1:54pm Katie did train me in her home gym. It feels pretty weird being trained by such a young girl. She is. concerned that someone could easily hurt me or do bad things, so she wants me to train and get strong. She told me she’ll train me so one day I can be strong like her. It was a little painful to my ego to have to work out in the vein hope I can someday rival a little girl sixteen years my younger in strength, but it is true as she could kill me if she wanted. TimMar 13 2021 2:06pm Hey Henni, Maya is training me because I wanted to be as strong as her at some point. I am glad she is training me, as I hope I can be nearly as strong as her at some point JamesMar 13 2021 2:07pm Tim, do you believe you can keep up to her as man? It needs a lot time to workout and get such a result. The same question i might ask James. Maybe he can keep up to Jasmine but surpass her will be a pretty hard. Henni Mar 13 2021 11:44pm Well Henni, at this point I very much doubt it. She works out for almost two hours everday focusing hugely on her arms. I can work out for at best 6 hours a week, and I don’t really like workin g out my arms, so I cannot focus on them, and even if I could I’d be no where near to catching up with her. Her upper body is so strong, I don’t think I could ever reach her. She can do single armed pull ups when I kind of struggle to do pull ups. She can out lift me in each arm by over 10 pounds TimMar 14 2021 12:12am in each arm. She can also barbell curl 20 more pounds than me, and pound for pound she is at least 1.3 times stronger than me. So I am unsure if I can ever catch up, let alone surpass her TimMar 14 2021 12:15am Tim, in school girls get their own gym class and they do also power lifting. They get all the support they need to have a most effective training. Boys don‘t get this training. Later most men have also not the possibilty to workout that way. Yesterday i was in the gym again after a few weeks. I talked with one of this guys who is very strong and he told me was instructed by one of his girlfriends. Luckely he has a lot free time so he can do almost every day sport. At the same time were also three girls in the gym who worked out. They came over and we talked about their workout routinw and about their experience they made also in comparson to men. They knew that a men who is very well trained can be stronger but the majority of men are weaklings. We did a short strength contest and the difference between the girls and the strong guy was clear but not that much. Between me and the girls the difference was bigger. I‘m around 3/5 that strong like the girls. One humiliating point was i lost also to a 13 yo girl. Henni Mar 14 2021 1:58am Yeah that is embarrassing and it was especially the first time for me too. It gets better after a while, and Katie is a pretty good teacher actually. My only problem is she is just way too strong for me, and she has more endurance than I do. So her weights that she tries to get me to do are too heavy, and she wants me to do too many reps. She also is now a little more commanding around me. She has recently began pinning me to a wall and having me try to get out to build up my stamina. TimMar 14 2021 3:04am What does Amanda saying that Katie is your trainer? Why don‘t Amanda train you? I think, for you it was embarassing to be weaker than the girl who is your trainer because she proofrd that she is simply stronger than you. With you both were no further people in the room. For me it was embarassing because there were a lot other people who saw i was beaten by these girls. Moreover there were also younger girls who commented it. One girl said: when i‘m that strong i will also show to men that they are to weak for a real girl. Henni Mar 14 2021 7:44am The reason Amanda doesn’t train me is she works at her office while I work at home and Katie goes to online school. She has done both in front of people. One time while Amanda Katie my daughter and I were at a restaurant, Katie pinned my hands to the table and wouldn’t let go. After a bit I quite struggling because everyone was looking at me getting so easily pinned by a little girl. She only publicly overpowered me three other times. The first time was we went to a gym supply store and we were getting 20lb and 15lb weights so I can train better. When we got them the clerk said “ooh a strong little girl huh?†While looking at Katie and smiling. She then rear bear hugged me, and spun around three times. She said “nope, this is for him. My lifts are all a lot heavier than that.†She also pinned me to a wall so I couldn’t move until I submitted to her training. And finally, she lifted me on her shoulders. TimMar 14 2021 9:07am That‘s really embarassing Tim. But actuall 15 or 20 lb is the known male training weight. As the training weight for girls, the 25, 30 lb or more weight usualy. That‘s usually more than men lift. In my gym some women wanted to throw away the weights between 10 and 20 lb because no woman need that little weight. They had forgotten that many men need that weight because 25 lb or more is for many men already the max. Now we men have out own men dumbbell shelf with all these little dumbbells. If a man need a heavier weight he can use one of the lightest girl dumbbells because the girls often use more than 30 lb. But it‘s embarassing nevertheless for us men to be that much weaker. Henni Mar 14 2021 9:42am James, how works the training for you? Henni Mar 14 2021 9:43am Yeah it really is. It is also interesting and a little embarrassing that my daughter is gaining muscle and strength with Katie faster than I am. TimMar 14 2021 9:45am The training is going alright Henni. I can lift about 5 more pounds in each lift. However, Jasmine has still surpassed me and Rhiannon and Maya have still eclipsed me. JamesMar 14 2021 9:46am That‘s interesting Tim. You mentioned that she paricipate at the powerlifting class for girls in her school and she is almost that strong as an average man. What she‘s lifting now? I think her technique is the better than yours. Henni Mar 14 2021 9:52am James, what do you lifting now and how much do the girls lift? I think until you can up to Rhiannon or Maya you will need years. Henni Mar 14 2021 9:54am She is lifting 25 lbs for 12 reps in each hand. She is in all lifts basically at the point I started at when I started working out with Aubrey and she can finally lift me. She is gaining strength really fast, and is actually near me now. TimMar 14 2021 10:03am It seems there is another Tim. Hello Tim! Please tell a little more about your storry... Weakling Mar 14 2021 11:36am I should clarify my daughter’s name is Aubrey TimMar 14 2021 11:37am I workout with both her and katie TimMar 14 2021 11:37am No, it this Tim, Weakling. He wrote about his daugther. Because of her power lifting class she can already lift more than average men. I struggle with 25 lb and more than 8 reps. When she can lift 25 lb for 12 reps, what is her max by 6 reps? I guess she can lift more than me 1 times or maybe i can‘t lift it. HenniMar 14 2021 11:43am Oh yes! Apology that i don‘t had a look at all previous posts. But you‘re right henni, she‘s really pretty strong. I couln‘t also keep up with her. Weakling Mar 14 2021 11:47am Her max 6 reps is 30. And she cannot do a true rep with 35 but if she uses all her power and some minor tricks to help with leverage she can curl 35. Katie can now curl 40 lbs for a rep. TimMar 14 2021 11:50am Aubrey can lift 30 lb for 6 reps? OMG! I can lift it 1, maybe 2 times. Then my arms are sore. Well she‘s already pretty fit. Did you you really wrote she is more the traditinal girly girl? Ok, nowadays who girl‘s are not rarely stronger than men, it means girly girls are stronger than men nevertheless. Katie is really a power house. I can lift 40 lb with both of my arms. It‘s scaring how strong girls are. Since i realized it one day ago in my gym again i know i‘m helpless if a girl is wants to beat me up. Henni Mar 14 2021 12:50pm Tim, may i ask you to invite Katie and Aubrey to this poll? Of course only if you are ok with that and only if the girls are fine with it. Henni Mar 14 2021 12:56pm Sure I could invite them. Just ask a question to them, and I’ll see which of them would be willing to answer TimMar 14 2021 1:00pm What was their initial point that they wanted to start power lifting. I think the gym class for girls is mandantory. What got they told by the trainer why and how can they start working out. What did they noticed regarding the boys around them since they are stronger than the boys and also if they workout next to grown men? These men are alo weaker than them i guss. How does they think about that? Henni Mar 14 2021 1:12pm I worked out with my mom because she is strong and I want to be strong with her. So I started going with her to the gym like 5 or 6 years ago. At school I did take PE, but the weights were way too small for me. The trainers were all surprised, and I was almost as strong as all of them. When I first worked out at school I was 9 and I was strong enough to carry a guy on each shoulder basically. I can still carry two guys my age at a time, and can piggy back up to three guys, but that barely ever happens. Nowadays, I am stronger than my schools trainer, so I barely get anything from the gym. I enjoy being so strong. I am stronger than almost everybody I have met. KatieMar 14 2021 1:24pm Hey Katie, what does your mum but also your trainers tomd you when you has gotten stronger? Or the other way around, what did you thought when you surpassed step by step first the boys and later also most men? Did your mum told you that men used to be the stronger sex but nowadays they are weaker? Did you needed to became convinced or was your initial point to get stronger than boys and men aroind you? Tim told me you are pretty muscular. Did you love to show your muscles? I can imagine that most boys around you are less muscular by far. How does they deal wit that? Is it normal for boys to be smaller and weaker than a girl? By the way ‚girls‘, what is with the other girls in your class. I guess they are also mandantory in the powerlifting class for girls and will became stronger than the boys if it is not already the case. What is the basical opinion by the girls at this? Henni Mar 14 2021 2:20pm My mom is really proud of me. My trainers were proud of me too, but once I got stronger than them, they were kind of intimidated and jealous. They were still happy for me though. I thought that I was really happy and becoming strong like I wanted to when I started surpassing the men. I was, for as long as I remember pretty strong. Even before I worked out I was stronger than most of the boys, and as soon as I started working out I was way stronger than all of them. My mom said that I need to watch out for boys and girls because most boys don’t even workout at all at this age, and all of them are probably pretty frail and weak compared to me. She also said I was stronger than almost all girls my age too most likely. So I try not to be too rough with any boys, but it can be hard as they are all so weak compared to me. I have really nice big muscles. I love my arm muscles, and I always try to make my upper muscles bigger. I love how they look, and I like to show other people. Most people are surprised that my muscles are big though. Yeah, most boys have really small muscles and skinny arms and legs. My muscles are usually like three or more inches bigger than theirs everywhere. Most boys are just a little scared of me and are always super nice because they’re scared. They are all scared I’ll beat them up, and I am probably stronger than three or four boys my age. I think it is kind of normal for boys to be small and weak, since most are. Girls at my school do some power lifting but not as much as me. I’d still say most are a little stronger than the boys though. I’m trying to teach Aubrey how to be strong like I am, and she likes it, so do some other girls at school. The strongest boy at school is Mike, but I am way stronger than him his curl max is 15 lbs. I can curl more than twice him KatieMar 14 2021 2:34pm I don‘t know how old Mike is but i think the physical power he have is normal for a boy. You as girl are also stronger than grown men. Actually girls will become stronger than men, because they so sports when they turn 14 or 15. I think you are an early bird at this. But what do you see at you school? I guess that most girls in your class expect that latest in 2 or 3 years they are stronger than almost all men. Will this be thematized in our class? Or do you know girls 2 or 3 years older than you and who realized that men are more and more often weaker than they are? What is the opinion there? I can imagine these girls are more confident in front of men because they know that they could overpower almost each man? Each girl these age, i know is stronger than me. What do you think about that? Henni Mar 14 2021 3:07pm He is 13. Yes, quite a few girls in my class and older than me are stronger than the average man in her class. Most men as you said are weaker than women that I know. Even some women are stronger than Tim that I know. One of them, Elliana is 17, and I am about as strong as she is. I can overpower her arms, but her legs are stronger than mine. Anyways, I am glad to see that girls know they are stronger than men. I love overpowering Tim. It makes me feel so strong. KatieMar 14 2021 4:08pm I wanna use my full strength against him one day Katie Mar 14 2021 4:08pm I think Tim is really pretty strong for a man. But how you said some women are stronger than him. You and yor mum are much stronger. I can imagine, a lot of young women are equal strong like Elliana or at least nearly that strong like her. The strength difference between average men and these women is pretty high so men are generally weaker nowadays. I can imagine if Elliana have a boyfriend he‘s weaker than her, isn‘t it? Was important for her to have a boyfriend who is weaker? Why are you glad that girls see that men generally weaker? How does they treat weaker men? Does many girls love to overpower men as you like to overpower Tim? What do you think if you overpower him. Because he told me you need only a few seconds to do so if you use your full strength. When i armwrestle or also wrestle a man i need some minutes if i can defeat my oponent ofr he defeats me. Against most girls your age i would need also a few minutes to defeat them. Most 14yo girls would defeat me in minutes and a 17yo girl like Elliana would defeat me in secons because a 17 yo girl is generally much stronger than an average man. Henni Mar 14 2021 4:38pm Elliana does have a boyfriend named Austin and he is shorter than her and far weaker. He is super tiny actually he is only 5†and 90 lbs. it wasn’t really important, but more like the only way, because Elliana is also stronger than all the guys. It is nice because it means that girls show they’re strong, and I can too without too much surprise as girls are being seen more and more as stronger. It varies, I am usually pretty nice to weaker men, but I enjoy overpowering them for fun. Elliana teases and makes fun of weaker boys. I think girls like to overpower men, as it shows their muscle power. I love overpowering Tim so much. It is fun because he always thought of himself as a big strong man, and it is fun to show him how weak his muscles are. I love feeling how helpless he is against my muscles. It feels so amazing, I love flexing my muscles at him, and I love making him feel my strength. I haven’t really used my full strength against him yet. I feel like I’ll do it tonight. But if I try with like 90% of my strength I can easily overpower him in seconds. With my whole strength I’m almost as strong as my mom, which we found out a little bit ago. KatieMar 14 2021 5:13pm My girlfriends also wanted to have a weak boyfriend. They participated also at the power lifting class for girls and so they were also generally stronger than me or most other boys. One day i wanted to have a girlfriend who was not stronger than me and so i went for a younger girlfriend when i was 17. But she also surpassed me physically later. I think meanwhile i‘m fine with it to be weaker than girls also if they are younger than me. It was not always easy for me but since i actually only meet girls who are much stronger than men i think it‘s not unusal around the world. By the way, did you talked with Aubrey? Tim told me how much she can lift and i have to admit i‘m weaker. Well as a girl thats not that unusual but she‘s also 12 and already that strong. May i ask you how much do the most 12 yo girls lift? Can it be they increased it? Because meanwhile i know more and more girls who are stronger. I‘m self was beaten by 13 yo girl the day before yesterday. She beated me without much effort. Henni Mar 14 2021 6:14pm I would say most 12 year old girls (those in my class) are a lot weaker than me and Aubrey. Most of them only lift 20 or 25 lbs at most, with the majority doing 15 for like 10 reps. So they are not that strong. They also can only squat like a bit over 100 lbs. it is pretty easy for them to get stronger they just need to dedicate to working out. KatieMar 14 2021 6:25pm Katie, in your friend circle, most girls went for a weaker boyfriend i guess, isn‘t it? May i ask you what type of boyfriend do you want? I‘m sure he should be much weaker than you, right? Should he also smaller and shorter or is it ok for you he‘s a little taller so long his muscles are smaller and weaker than yours? Henni Mar 14 2021 6:30pm Most of your female class mates has to participate the girl power lift class, right? So i think they will physically surpass their male class mates and also most men in the next couple of months, isn‘t it? You told me that Mike, the strongest boy at your school can also lift 15lb at max. If the most girls can do that already and they will start working out this year, they will surpass the strongest boy. If that happens what happens since years, the girls will become stronger than the boys again. Of course, if they would already working out like you, they would be alreadx all stronger and also grown men would be weaker. Henni Mar 14 2021 6:46pm I’m not really looking for anything in a boyfriend myself. It doesn’t really matter to me if he’s weaker, but he almost 100% would be. I don’t mind about height. If he is taller I’d love to overpower him, if he’s smaller than me I would like to have a smaller and weaker boyfriend. I think either would be pretty cool KatieMar 14 2021 6:48pm You are most likely right Katie. Nowadays it is most likely hard, if not impossible for you to find a boyfriend who i at leadt that stong like you. How you already wrote all boys are weaker than you and also most grown men are not that strong. So i‘m sure you will find a boyfriend like most other girls have one as well. He is much weaker with small muscles. I‘m sure you will enjoy it because you wrote you love to be stronger than the male. Imagine your boyfriend is the only one who is almost that strong like you while all your female class mates have much weaker boyfriends... Henni Mar 14 2021 7:11pm That’d be cool. I think I’m gonna find out just how strong I am and will use all of my strength against Tim in a little contest right now. I’ll tell you how it goes. KatieMar 14 2021 7:17pm Be careful with him, remember, he‘s a man and weaker than you. Don not hurt him to much! If he submit let him go. Henni Mar 14 2021 7:21pm Alright I will KatieMar 14 2021 7:22pm Alright Tim and I had our contest and I’m even stronger than I thought. It was actually a pretty fast contest. I started it by calling Tim into my room. He was over for dinner with my mom. He came in and I closed the door behind him and told him I was gonna show him my full strength. He said ok but seemed a little scared. We locked hands and stood in the middle of the room and decided we’d go for full body strength first. He said go and we tried to push each other to the walls. When Tim said go I pushed as hard as I could. He was pushed onto his tipi toes fast, and I pushed even harder and pushed him off the floor and pinned him into the wall fast. He was so weak he didn’t slow me down so I accidentally slammed him into the wall kind of hard and shook the house. I was really sorry and told him sorry and I felt bad. He said it was okay, and we tested upper strength. My arm muscles are just way too strong for him. Nothing he did could do anything. I pinned both his hands with one arm and he had to use the full strength of both of his arms for over a minute to slowly loosen my grip. I pinned his two arms to a wall with one of my arms for 6 minutes before he could get out, and when he did he was totally exhausted. I could pick him up sooo easy. He’s really light, so that was easy. I picked him up a little bit easier than he picked me up and he’s like 20 pounds heavier than me. He then used all of his strength to try to hold me tight and prevent me from moving. I used my full strength and in 3 seconds I overpowered him and then held him like that, and he couldn’t budge my arms. It was awesome. KatieMar 14 2021 8:36pm You are really incredible girl, outclassing a grown man! When you said that you will show to him your full strength now it‘s no wonder that he was a little scared. After all ou are a girl and he know that you are stronger than him. I have still to admit for your age you are really very strong. Actually i would expect this power earliest from a girl who is at least 15 or 16yo. But you are really impressive. I‘m sure i would have absolutely no chance to stand against you for a second. By the way, you mentioned your female class mates are much weaker than you. That‘s obviousely right but you also mentioned Mike is the strongest boy at your school and his lifts are max 15 lb. If most girls in your class lift 20 or 25 lb it means they are much stronger than Mike. How does your class mates (boys and girls) manage this situation? Henni Mar 15 2021 1:32am Tim what do you think when Katie called you into her room. I think it was surprisingly, it was? How long does the whole contest took. What does you talked about after you realized you are much weaker than her? Henni Mar 15 2021 3:43am I was surprised she would want my help at that time, and once I went in I realized that it was probably a trap just as she shut the door. The contest took maybe 10 minutes, although almost instantly I lost; I had no chance against her and she just down 10 minutes near effortlessly beating me. She then talked to me about upping my workouts and diet. She said if I ate more calories (she wants me to eat 2,700 rn) and lifted six times a week that in the near future I might be able to compete with her current strength in two years. She also said that she’s glad her mom and I are dating and she likes me, she’s just worried about how weak I am. She said that of course she likes being stronger, but she’s worried because she knows she is easily strong enough to kill me, and is trying to train me so in her words “not everyone can kill me.†TimMar 15 2021 6:41am I think you are already pretty strong Tim. You are at least stronger than average men. Because girls and women workout pretty hard they will be much stronger than men so of course. From my perspective you are pretty strong but of course for girls who workout we are both pretty weak especially for Katie. I have still the opinion she is very strong for her age. Yesterday Katie told me something about her friend Elliana. She‘s 17yo and almost that strong as Katie in her upper body but stronger in her lower body. Most girls i know are that strong at this age so ghey make each man look like a weakling next to such a girl. Do you know her? Henni Mar 15 2021 7:11am Katie, did you read my post addressed to you? Henni Mar 15 2021 7:12am My classmates are fine with it. At my schools girls are stronger most of the time. It is alright as we are training and going through puberty while most boys have done neither. That and because of my training and competition most girls are also training to get near me. It is nice as for the most part the boys are nice to us girls. I will continue working out, as I have my workout in a few moments, I will train with the hope someday in the future when I’m 13 I can curl 50 pounds in each hand hopefully. KatieMar 15 2021 8:04am I don’t know Elliana, but I have heard Katie talk about her once or twice. Katie said that Elliana is a little bit stronger than I am in upper body, so Katie is quite a bit stronger than her upper body. Meanwhile, Elliana is a little bit stronger in lower body. TimMar 15 2021 8:06am Katie, i wonder why this topic, that girls are stronger than boys in not thematized these days. When i was in school we had a sport teacher and she advertised the ‚power lifting class only for girls‘. She mentioned that for generations boys are stronger than girls. In the modern world who girls can do the same sports and activities like boys but the girls can start earlier and will get the advantage that they will got a personal trainer from the first day. She told that with help of this training the girls can increase their power and that most girls who participare at this training will be stronger than most boys. Some girl were really delighted, some were fine with the idea to be stronger and some wanted to test it. At the beginning there were a little more than half of the girls in my class participating in this power lifting class. It tooks really not that much time and a lot of these girls noticed a change in their body. They became more and more ripped and in the mixed sports class most boys couldn‘t keep up to them anymore. At the yearly sport contest at my school there won more girls the first price than boys and one year later the sport contest included also some strength disciplines. Nevertheless under the best ten athletes were no boy. From now more and more girls joined the power lifting class. One days we had an arm wrestling contest in my class and the girls won it clearly. For the girls it was a rush that they were now stronger than we boys and many things changed. Of course also some not so nice things because for a time it became more and more that girls had beaten up boys. Some girls liked it to pushing around the boys to show them who’s stronger. In my class the strongest class mates were girls and also the strongest at the school were girls. It’s absolutely crazy that you want to lift 50 lb with one arm. That’s twice the weight i can lift. You told that most girls in your grade already can curl between 20 and 25 lb. Do you know what the girls one grade over you can curl? Henni Mar 15 2021 9:12am Tim, do you think that a lot girls this age are stronger than you? Until a few weeks ago i thought that girls with 15 or 16 a generally stronger than men because of their training. Then i realized in my gym that even girls 13 yo are stronger than men meanwhile. Now i learned that also 12 yo girls workout very seriously and become stronger. It’s very impressive for a weak man like me to hear that these girls can use my max weights without much effort for reps. Henni Mar 15 2021 10:18am Yeah that’s what I noticed pretty much at my school too. Most girls in the next grade curl 25 too. The strongest girl at the school curls 40 for two reps. I can do about that as well, so in upper body I am tied for strongest, despite being one of the youngest. Elliana is strongest in legs and can squat 250 KatieMar 15 2021 10:41am But the girls one grade over you curl 25 lb for reps? They doing more reps than the girls in your class with this weight, right? What do you think Katie, how old are the girls who can curl generally more than grown men? I think 25 lb is already pretty heavy for a man, you know? For my last question please exclude the over average strong girls. In which age do you think that the majority of girls can curl 30 lb dumbbells or more without much effort? Henni Mar 15 2021 11:33am Yeah they are a bit stronger than the girls in my class as they do more reps. I would say 14 or 15 is when most girls become stronger than most men. I mean that is when most girls I’ve known can curl 30’s for reps. I would say most men struggle to lift 25 lbs too. By high school girls get way stronger than men, and at the end of middle school I’d say they become stronger than the average man. KatieMar 15 2021 12:18pm How old are the girls when they are stronger than most men? What do you think Katie? You are right, when i workout my warm up weight for curls is 15 lb, first set is 20 lb for 12 reps, second 22.5 lb for 8 or 9 reps and third set is 25 lb for 6 maybe 7 reps. The last 2 reps are not clean because this weight is that heavy i have to trick a little. Sometimes i try to curl 30 lb but i can barely lift it. I think my stats are typical for a man who workout a little to stay fit, the same like most other men too. What do you think on my statistics? Henni Mar 15 2021 1:04pm Henni, you mentioned that you were beaten by a 13-year-old girl recently, how did that happen? Were you ever beaten by anyone younger, maybe back when you were a teenager? GuillaumeMar 15 2021 4:27pm I think they’re pretty good for a man. I would do that for a light warmup, but those stats aren’t bad. KatieMar 15 2021 10:08pm Hi Guillaume. She was very well trained and simply stronger than me. Of course i was beaten by girls when i was younger. One girl was 11 and i was 13. Except my latest experiences the biggest age difference was one of my girlfriends. She started working out pretty seriously and when she was 14 she has beaten me in several strength contests. Did you made any experiences with this? Henni Mar 15 2021 11:49pm Katie, what do you think about my stats when you look at the girls at your school.How would you classify them? Henni Mar 15 2021 11:52pm My girlfriend workout in the school gym with some of her friends and the girls are stronger than me or most other guys. MarcMar 16 2021 8:16am Most girls at my school workout with a similar routine in my age group, and anyone above my grade is mostly stronger than that. KatieMar 16 2021 10:04am You mean the girls in your grade using that weight for working out that i use as well? What do you think, in which grade use the majority of girls 30 lb dumbbells or heavier? Henni Mar 16 2021 11:52am Probably 8th grade or freshman year for the majority I’d say. KatieMar 16 2021 12:08pm My girlfriend is in 7th grade and she use 30 lb dumbbells for reps. She’s doing more than 10 reps but i’m sure she could do more. Her max is 40lb per hand. Much more than I can do. MarcMar 16 2021 12:39pm Wow, it means most girls these age can outclass a grown man already. But i made these experience in the last days. Really impressive! Sometimes i wonder what these girls think when they realize that most men are weaker. Henni Mar 16 2021 2:13pm Katie, how do you think how the every day has changed since girls are stronger? Are the boys more nice, holding back and sometimes scared about girls? Weakling Mar 16 2021 2:53pm I came across some videos of a 7 year old girl weightlifter who can deadlift 80kg(177lbs)! If you do some googling you can find them too, she's pretty well known now. I was amazed, and a little embarrassed. I'm 19 years old, 5'3", and only 45kg(100lbs). I've tried deadlifting myself, my cousin spent hours teaching me the proper technique, and the most I can lift even once is 30kg (66lbs! I already knew i was very small and weak, and I'm OK with that, but finding out that there's a 7 year old girl out there who is literally more than twice as strong as me was still a blow. She can probably lift more with her right arm than I can with both! She can definitely beat me in arm-wrestling, and if she wanted to fight me I'd have absolutely no chance. I hope I never meet a kid like that. The idea of a person with the maturity and self-control of a 7 year old with the ability to overpower me so easily is scary. It's amazing how strong young girls are these days, this girl is a special case but I know there are plenty of other girls her age who are stronger than me by a narrower margin, and I think most girls 4 or 5 years older than her are somewhere near her level. I'm especially weak for my age, but this 7-year-old is even stronger even than a normal man, and I think most girls reach that level at about 11 or 12 if they are athletic, and a year or two later if they aren't. I've learned that from experience. StanMar 16 2021 6:14pm I have found this video, Stan. It’s really incredible. At first i thought you talked about deadlift. 80kg is also pretty heavy for a 7 yo in this exercise but she’s even doing overhead lifts with this weight. I also couldn’t do that with that weight. She’s really stronger than a normal man. When I was at school the girls had to participate at the gym class when they were 12 yo. So it was normal that they became stronger than the boys who had not that sport class. Anyway, last weekend i was gone into my gym after a long time again and during a talk it happened that i had an armwrestling match with a 13yo girl. She has beaten me. I have seen a lot other girls her age who workout in an equal way and so i think these girls will be around equal strong. Well, also in this poll i read a lot about girls these age who are also pretty strong. Some are not even 13 yo but nevertheless already very strong. I understood Katie in that way, girls in her grade are mostly equal strong like men. So, one year later they are stronger of course, when they turn 13. Why are you scared by stronger girls. I’m an average man and i’m not really very sporty even though i’m a member in a sport club. However if i look around in my gym i see many girls working out seriously. Of course these girls are stronger than me. I also see it when i interact with this girls and when we do physical work. Their power level is clear higher than mine. I think nowadays it is normal that many men are weaker than girls and women. Henni Mar 17 2021 12:12am Katie, in one of your previous posts you wrote that your muscles are pretty big. Tim wrote, when you had a small strength contest that he noticed that your muscles swell bigger than his. May i ask you how big they are? Henni Mar 17 2021 10:49am Henni - I'm not necessarily scared of stronger girls, but I am scared of the idea of a 7-year-old (of either gender, though it will almost always be a girl) who is more than twice as strong as me. Kids that young are usually immature and they might not fully understand their own power or the consequences of their actions, so if one of them had the ability to completely overpower and dominate me with very little effort then I might end up with some serious injuries. This girl could knock me unconscious or snap my arm like a twig, and I don't know if you could trust someone that age to act responsibly with that kind of power. I've had encounters with girls a bit older than that with that sort of strength, but they know to hold back against me so I don't get hurt too bad. I've also encountered girls about her age who are stronger than me, but none of them were more than 2x stronger than me, so I would have been able to put up some defense against them. StanMar 17 2021 12:06pm In my experience, while the average girl might not match the strength of the average adult man until she's 13 or 14, there are a lot of girls these days who have been working out and doing sports since the first years of elementary school, and they exceed the average man a lot younger. A few months ago me and three of my male friends were at my friend's house playing video games, and my friend's sister was in the house too with a couple of her friends from her gymnastics club, and he had another sister who was taking a nap in her room. There was a power cut, so none of us had anything to do, and my friend's sister decided we should have an arm-wrestling tournament. The guys were all in the 18-20 age range, and none of us were athletic at all, but the other guys were all taller and heavier than me. My friend's sister was 11, and her friends were 10 and 12, and all of them had been working out and doing gymnastics and other sports for at least 4 or 5 years. All of the girls beat me easily, my friend's sister was the strongest and took less than 5 seconds to slam my arm into the table. The 10-year-old took the longest but even she had no problem in the end, which was about what I was expecting. The girls also beat all three of my friends, though it was much harder than against me. My friend had warned us this would probably happen before the tournament started, he had wrestled with his sister a lot and he knew how strong she and her friends were. The youngest one struggled a bit, and the match between her and my largest friend took a long time and ended with both of them exhausted and red in the face, but the girl still won. My friend's sister told us that they weren't even particularly strong by the standards of the girls in her gymnastics club, and that almost all of the girls in her club aged 11 and older would have been able to beat us as well. It turned out that my friend's other sister, who was 8, had been watching from the top of the stairs, and when we were done she wanted to join in as well. Her sister suggested she arm-wrestle me, as it would be the most fair. I was exhausted and I didn't want to do it, but I felt like I didn't really have a choice. It was an extremely close match that went on for 10 minutes, we were very evenly matched, but eventually she wore me down and pinned me, and was very proud of herself. I was so tired and my arm was aching from the other matches, so I think I might have narrowly beat her if I had been fresh, but it still says a lot about me and about her that an 8-year-old is basically tied with me for strength. StanMar 17 2021 12:34pm Well Stan i think on this point you are right for sure. But i think teen girls have sometimes strange ideas and then i would also prefer to be not to close to them. Also today i would still try to prevent it. In my life i had also sometimes an argument with the one or other girl and was also beaten up by the one or other girl. The last time when i was beaten up by a girl i was 16. She was 14, almost 15 and she simply wanted to have a victim to show who’s stronger. I’m sure you can imagine that a boy, who is still weaker than a grown man, has no chance against a girl who can even beat up a grown man without to much effort. Well nowadays i know that most girls these age are also stronger than me as young man. I think a 7yo can become wild like kids it just do. A teenage girl can be nasty and if she becomes angry to you, you should be better far away from her. Henni Mar 17 2021 12:41pm Hm, most girls i know started working out when they turned 12. Because of this i know that girls generally stronger than men when they are 14 yo. But of course, a girl who started working earlier is also earlier stronger than the average girl. Corresponding to the fact that the sister of your friend and hers friends working out since that long time it’s really expectable that the girls could beat all of you. Because they are pretty young the difference is still not that high but i think in one year all you guys will be easily beaten by these girls. Maybe the 8yo will still need a couple of years but i can imagine when she turns 10 or 11 no one of you guys stands a chance against her. In my sport club it’s nearly the same. A lot girls working out really seriously while only few men do it in the same way. Well, i don’t compare myself to each girl. But always when i did it the girl has beaten me. Sometimes it took one or two minutes. Mostly it took only a few seconds then i was defeated by this girl. Sometimes there is a contest with some strength exercises, the girls mostly win with a big head start. Did you already try to have a weight lift contest against girls? Henni Mar 17 2021 1:18pm My parents didn’t allow to me that i was outside after 9pm when i was 16 years old. At the same time they where ok with it, that my sister was outside until midnight, when she was 13. When my sister had to been at home still at 9pm, she was 10. This was not fair but my sister was stronger than me. My parents only allowed to me to go later outside when they know my girlfriend or my sister was with me to take care on me. Henni Mar 17 2021 4:03pm Keep in mind that these girls didn't just beat short skinny me, they also beat my largest friend, who is about 5 foot 10 or 11, and normal weight for his height. He's a pretty good representative for the average non-athletic 20-year-old man, and all three of them were stronger than him. Even the 10-year-old was slightly stronger than he was, meaning she's about as strong or slightly stronger than the average non-athletic adult. Apparently they aren't even exceptional when it comes to girls their age who have been working out and participating in organized sports for a few years, so it would seem that most of the 11+ girls in that category are at least as strong as the average man. My friend's sister told me that it's become pretty common over the last 4 or 5 years for girls to start exercising and training in sports seriously in the first couple years of elementary school, apparently more than half of the girls in her class started at around the age of 7 or 8, to varying degrees. Girls who do gymnastics often start even younger. I asked my aunt, who's an elementary school teacher, and she said the same thing, and that as a result almost all the bullying that goes on is girls bullying boys. My younger brother is in the 6th grade (though he's 13), and he said that, without any exceptions, every single girl in his class is stronger than every single boy, and almost every time a girl in the grades below has challenged him or another boy in his class the girl has won, just last week a 4th grade girl beat up an 8th grade boy. I think that when this generation of elementary school girls get a bit older, people will start to realize that things are changing. Right now most girls might not match the strength of the average man until they're 13 or 14, but if most of the 11-year-old girls who have been working out since they were 7 or 8 are stronger than the average man, and if that category eventually grows so that the majority of 11-year-old girls have been working out for that long, then in a few years we'll have a situation where most girls that age are as strong or stronger as a normal, non-athletic man. StanMar 17 2021 7:33pm Yeah, I've had opportunities to compare my weight lifting stats with some younger girls. My cousin who taught me how to lift was 13 at the time (I was 18), she was a couple of inches taller than me and she weighed 60kg. Like I said, the max I could ever deadlift was 30kg, and I can bench press 15kg. My cousin could deadlift at least 140kg, I don't know what her one rep max is. She wasn't mean about it, she decided to teach me to lift because she was worried about how frail I was. My friend's 11-year-old sister was kinda mean about it, though. After the armwerstling tournament she started demonstrating her strength against me almost every time I went to her house, she would make me wrestle her and she'd lift me up and things like that. One time she made me lift her weights, and she laughed and mocked me when she saw how little I could lift. She could deadlift 120gk and bench 70kg for several reps, but I don't know what her max is either. I don't know how much the 8-year-old sister can lift, but my friend (her brother) told me she's gotten a lot stronger over the last few months. She was already in the game gymnastics club as the other girls, but watching the other girls beat us all in armwrestling and herself beating me really motivated her to try harder, and she's been putting in a ton of work at the club and with her sister's weights. My friend told me yesterday that she can now beat him in armwrestling, and he's stronger than me, so his sister would probably have no problem beating me now. He also told me that his sister's friend (also 8) is staying with them for the next couple of weeks, and she's supposed to be the strongest girl in that age group in the gym. I'm gonna go to his house tomorrow or the day after, and if I get a chance I'll see what his sister and her friend can do now. StanMar 17 2021 8:11pm Hey Henni, I’ve been catching up on schoolwork but I can talk again, and my muscles are about 13.75 inches flexed. Tim said that his measured to 11.5 inches flexed. KatieMar 17 2021 10:46pm I’ve gotten Aubrey to lift pretty heavy and she has 11.25 inch biceps flexed. She will pass Tim very soon as when we started she only had 10.25 inch biceps. KatieMar 17 2021 10:48pm Except that these girls are really pretty young, it is not unusual that girls beat guys. A few posts above, Katie wrote that girls in her grade already using 15 up to 25 lb dumbbells for curls. That’s pretty close to the weight the average man can use. But she also wrote, one year later the girls curl in majority 25 lb and do more reps. That’s already a little more the average man can curl or at least, the average man can‘t do much reps with such a high weight. At this time these girls are around 13 yo. I think, young men like you are still not that strong like an adult. So the most 12 yo girls are stronger than you guys for sure. A girl who workout since years pretty serious can be most likely already stronger than you all when she is 10. I think Katie is also here a special case because she started working out when she was 6yo. Obviousely she already surpassed grown men when she was 10. Nowadays she‘s 12 yo and much stronger than men, even stronger than men who are trained well. Anyhow if i get the chance in my gym to challange some girls i will do that and tell to you the result. The comparson with your cousine was not fair for you. Don‘t get me wrong but you are pretty small and as you wrote you are weak. You can‘t mess with a 13 yo girl who is usualy stronger than a grown man. But also the 10 yo who workout that long is to much for you. I think the 8 yo is a good match for you also if she will surpass you in one or two years. But you will become also a little bit stronger, not that strong like a girl but you will become a little stronger than now. By the way, it seems the 10 yo is also already good in charge. If she lift so much, she‘s already stronger than an average grown man. I can not bench 70kg and also not deadlifting that much she‘s lifting. Thank you Stan, please let me know what happened. Henni Mar 18 2021 12:39am Katie, you muscle girl! Mine are a little over over 12“ but alse a little flabby. The difference between flexed and unflexed is just under 12“ and flexed is a little more. Aubrey has made a pretty impressive progress. How much does she lift now? Henni Mar 18 2021 5:26am Henni - yeah, it's probably true that for a girl to be stronger than the average man at 10 or 11 she'd have to have been working out since the age of 6 or 7, like Katie and my friend's sister. Until recently, most girls didn't start working out until later, so they don't surpass the average man until 13 or 14. My point was that, according to my friend's sister, my brother, and my aunt, in the last couple of years it's become much, much more common for girls to start exercising seriously and participating in organized sports at around the age of 7. My aunt teaches 2nd grade, and she told me that the majority of the girls in the class she teaches are members of some sports club or kid's gym. She said that 5 years ago it was only about 10-15% of 2nd grade girls who do that, but now it's closer to 70%. If these girls stick with it and continue to train hard, then most of them will be as as strong as the average man at 10 or 11, and many of them will be even stronger. If, in a few years, most 11-year-old girls will have been training for 4 or 5 years, then we'll be in a situation where most 11-year-old girls are as strong as or stronger than the average adult man. It'll be pretty shocking for a lot of men when they realize that. I think this increase in girls training at a young age will also result in more exceptional cases, like the famous 7-year-old who can lift 80kg above her head. Girls like that will become more common, though of course they'll never be a majority. StanMar 18 2021 7:29am Yeah, my cousin is significantly stronger than almost all men, so I don't feel bad that she was stronger than me. My friend's 11 year old sister is as well, but I still feel a bit embarrassed about just how big the difference between us is. She can lift more than the vast majority of men, but she can lift over 4x as much as me. My friend's 8-year-old sister has probably surpassed me already, she can apparently match her brother for strength now, and he's a lot stronger than me. I'm interested to see what her friend of the same age can do, apparently even the 11-year-old sister is impressed by her. I'll be going over to my friend's house pretty soon, I'll let you know how it goes. StanMar 18 2021 7:39am Yes, you‘re right Stan. Most men will be shocked if they realize that they can physical hardly keep up to such girls. When i brought my first really physical strong girlfriend at my home my dad was also shocked. I was 16 and she was 14yo. Because of her hard workout routine she was pretty muscular and ripped. She was a few inches shorter than me but she had wider shoulders and her muscles were not only swelling out of her body but there were also clear bigger than mine. She had a steep bicep peak when she flex her arms. When my dad saw her, i noticed, he was intimidated from her sight. My mum who knew how girls workout was not surprised and she put the talk into the direction about how strong girls are these days. My girlfriend told about her training and that she noticed how weak and fragile boys and men are nowadays. Well my dad was a little upset and so he challanged her to an arm wrestling match. So they cross their hands and after they started i could see how my dad put all his power into this match. Her arm backed away a little but then she stopped his advance and pushed him back into start position. She had to give a little effort but a few seconds later she slamed his hand down to the table. In a special kind it was funny to see how he looks at her big bicep peak and then he look on his own little bicep. He wanted several rematches but each time she defeat him faster. At the end he felt humiliated and admitted that my girlfriend is stronger than him. I could see his fear in his eyes. My at this time 12 yo sister observed it and she asked my girlfriend a lot about her training. She was already pretty strong so i could not defeat her but she could also not defeat me at least during the first arm wrestling match she couldn‘t win. The second match mostly she defeated me in a minute because of her mutch better endurance. My sister smirked at me and mentioned that she will surpass me soon, so i will be her weak brother then. By the way you mentioned that almost all the bullying that goes on is girls bullying boys. This was also the same when i was at school. I was bullied by several girls. It‘s always the same, the stronger girl surpressed the weak boy. Henni Mar 18 2021 11:00am Yeah, most men aren't aware of this stuff yet, but they will be before long, and they won't like it. I'm used to being weak and I've been beaten by younger girls since I was a kid, the cousin who taught me out to lift was already stronger than me when she was 6 and I was 11, so I don't take it too hard. Other guys aren't like that, though. My largest friend was really confident when we were about to arm-wrestle the girls, he laughed when my other friend said his sister beats him all the time. You should have seen his face when the 12-year-old beat him, pure shock and humiliation. I think he expected to do better against the 11-year-old, but she beat him even faster. He was really determined to at least beat the 10-year-old, and I could tell he was putting all of his effort into it, so when she eventually wore him down he was so embarrassed. He said afterwards that they must be some of the strongest girls in the country, and was even more humbled when they said they are pretty average by the standards of the girls in their gymnastics club, the ones who have been training for a few years. That was the moment he started to understand the power of young girls these days, and it had a big effect on him. A lot of guys feel really angry and emasculated when they learn that most 13/14-year-old girls are stronger than them, so imagine how they'll feel in a few years when the new generation of young elementary schoolers who have been training since the age of 6 or 7 are a bit older, and the guys find out that most 10/11-year-old girls are now stronger than them as well. A lot of them won't be able to handle it. StanMar 18 2021 11:45am Well, it is not that easy for a boy either to accept that a girl is stronger than a guy. When i was a boy i have learned that a boy should not be to rough to a girl because girls are not that strong like boys. When i was 12 yo, a lot girls my age surpassed me in height and they were barely weaker or often similar strong. When I was 13 most girls were stronger than me or at least equal strong. With 14 we boys were all much weaker than the girls same age. At these time i thought it‘s only the case because many girls were taller than the boys these age but then i have seen that a girl in my grade has beaten up a 19 yo guy and he desperetenly tried to defend himself but she simply toyed him. She pushed him down and sit down on his torso. She grabbed his wrists and moved his arms against his will over his head and then pinned them with one of her hand. Her free hand she put on his chin and turned his head so he had to look into her eyes and she threated to him. He begged her let him go but she slapped him and threats again. And the end he was crying and said yes he will do what she want. I made not the same experience but when i was 16 and 17yo i was also beaten up by some girls. I also tried to give my best for self defense but had never a chance against a girl. of course all my male friends made more or less similar experiences. Nowadays i‘m 26 and i was aware that it absolute normal tham i‘m as as man weaker than an 14 yo girl. Since last week i‘m also aware that many 13 yo girl can be also stronger than me as man and after this you and Katie told me that some girls around 11 yo also sometimes stronger than men. HenniMar 18 2021 1:42pm I think that the difference has increased a lot since you left school. I'm 7 years behind you, and when I was in school most of the girls in my class were always stronger than all of the boys of the same age, from kindergarten right up to the end of high school. The athletic girls were also stronger than the boys who were older than them, but at the time most of the girls didn't start working out until early middle school. From what I've seen, this trend has accelerated even more over the last few years, now most girls seem to start working out in elementary school, and the age at which they become stronger than the average adult man has gone way down. I'm at my friend's house at the moment and I've been talking to his 11-year-old sister, she says the same as my aunt and younger brother, that every single girl in her class is stronger than every single boy. She also says that about half the girls in her class have been workout out and doing sports seriously for at least 3 years, and the girls like that are all stronger than almost all high-school boys, and many are stronger than the average adult. She and a few of her friends can beat their gym teacher in armwrestling and he's an athletic man. She's been bragging to me about how she and her friends love to order the boys around, and even the 8th and 9th graders do what they say, like they'll get up and move to a different table in the cafeteria if she says she wants it. Apparently this new crop of 1st and 2nd graders are working out and doing sports at an even higher rate than the girls in her class when she was that age, so if they stick with it then by the time they're in the 5th and 6th grades the majority of 10 and 11-year-olds will be as strong as her and her friends. Right now you say that "some girls around 11yo also sometimes stronger than men", but I think pretty soon it'll be "most girls around 11yo are stronger than men." It might be kind of dangerous, like I said about the 7-year-old who can lift 80kg above her head, you can't always trust someone that young with that kind of power, and some of these girls might end up abusing their strength, especially against boys and men. I'd hate to be a middle or high school boy in a few years. StanMar 18 2021 2:57pm Yeah it’s mostly been the same for me too Stan. I started working out when I was 6 but even at the start of kindergarten I was stronger than all the boys, and I always had been even up to now. Most girls I know have been stronger than guys too. I even knew I was stronger than Tim the first time I saw him. He was slim, but my arms were wider than his, and I have more flab than he does, but I’m pretty slim too. KatieMar 18 2021 3:27pm Hi Stan, i was in the gym. Today i had one of my male friends with me. He workout more often than me but also only 1 times per week. That i‘m in the gym twice this week is only reasoned in it that my friend called me and we talked a little about this topic that girls are stronger. He has also the opinion that girls start training earlier and that a lot of them are stronger as men of course. He told me that on thursday almost always many girls workout in the gym and maybe this is a good possability to ask them for a little strength comparson. So we met us in front of the door of the gym. After we changed our clothes we entered the weight room. In it were 22 girls of different ages and working out. We sat us down in a corner and observed the girls. We dont wanted to working out because i did my monthly training on saturday and he’s also working out every 2 week and he was in the gym last week already. Anyhow after a while the one or other girl asked why we are in the gym and we answered that we want to look to the girls training routine and that we want to have a little strength challange. So of course it would be a strange if two men challage 22 girls because we would be exhausted very fast. So we decided to compare only the bicep power. Everyone shold curl the highest weight who is used to for at least 6 reps. We asked if we the girls alow that we note their age and the weight they curl and all were ok with it that we do so. To give you sn overview how many girls were there in which age class. Overall there were 22 girls. 2 girls 17 yo, 3 girls 16 yo, 5 girls 15 yo, 3 girls 14 yo, 3 girls 13 yo, 1 girl 12 yo, 2 girls 11 yo and 3 girls 10 yo. I dont want to bore you with each single number because of this i will go the short way. My friend won against 2 of the 10 yo girls but loose to all the other girls. I won against one 10 yo girl and was equal to the second 10yo girl. Henni Mar 18 2021 4:16pm Hi Katie i think what you wrote about your experiences nearly confirms my experience from today. Henni Mar 18 2021 4:26pm When I was at the gym on arms last time, a guy thought I was faking my workout because he said my weights were way too heavy for a little girl until he tried to curl what I was, and he couldn’t even lift the weights. It was amazing KatieMar 18 2021 4:53pm Henni - yeah, that's about what I would expect. Judging by your stats you seem like the average guy your age, and your friend might be a bit above average. Given that you're competing against girls that are in a gym, they have probably been working out for at least a year or two. It's completely normal that you'd be about equal in strength to the 10-year-olds, and weaker than the 11-year-olds and everyone else. When it comes to athletic girls who've been training since the first couple years of elementary school, 10 and 11 is about when they match or exceed the average adult man. There are plenty of 10-year-olds who have already far exceeded that strength as well, like the one who beat both you and your friend, and the one who beat me and my friends. Once the current crop of 6 and 7-year-old girls, most of whom have already started training, get to that age, then the majority of 10-year-old girls will be at about the same strength or stronger as the average man, most 11-year-olds will be significantly stronger. There are also girls even younger who have exceeded that strength, like the 80kg lifting 7-year-old. As more girls are training that young, more will discover they have those talents, and girls like that 7-year-old will become much more common. I think this friend of the 8-year-old sister of my friend might be one of them, I'll probably meet her later today. StanMar 18 2021 4:54pm So I just met my friend’s 8-year-old sister and her friend of the same age, and wow! They were at their club’s gym, and my friend’s sister got back first, the other girl had to go to her house to pick up some stuff. My friend’s sister was really excited to see me, she was eager to show me how much she’d progressed since we armwrestled, and to test her strength against me again. She immediately wanted to armwrestle, and I could see how much bigger her arms were than the last time. She really had put on a lot of muscle, the last time we armwrestled we were pretty evenly matched, but this time she beat me very easily, both with her right and her left hand. She was really happy about this, and she told me about how the first armwrestling tournament had made her realize how strong young girls can be, and it made her really determined to work out and get as powerful as possible. She had already been doing gymnastics for two years, but since that day she’d been working out for hours every day. She seemed really enamored with the idea of her and girls her age being stronger than teenage boys and men, and she bragged about all the boys in her school she had beaten. Last weak she beat up a 8h grader just to see if she could, and because he refused to armwrestle her, and she told me she wanted to try to beat up a high schooler next, probably a 9th grader. She’s not quite as strong as the average adult yet, but her goal is to be able to beat my largest friend in armwrestling by the time she turns 9, and I think she’ll probably be able to do it. She’ll be scary in a couple of years, she’ll definitely be stronger than most adult men by the time she’s 10, which isn’t unusual for girls who’ve been training for as long as she has, and if she still has this obsession with beating up older guys then she could do some serious damage. If a lot of this new breed of athletic girl has this same attitude then the world could become a dangerous place for men and teenage boys in a few years. StanMar 18 2021 9:12pm She was also very excited for me to meet her friend, her name’s Emma and she’s 8 as well, and she’s the strongest girl in the 10 and under category in their club. It sounded like she almost idolized her. I could see why she idolized Emma when she arrived. Emma’s tall for her age, at about 4 foot 7, and she has amazing 8-pack abs and biceps that are clearly visible even when not flexed. My friend’s sister told Emma to show me how much she could lift, so she went and bench pressed the 70kg bar for several reps, she said she could do more but they don’t have the equipment here. She asked how much I could bench, I thought about exaggerating but decided to tell the truth since it would be easy to test, that I can only bench 15kg. Emma burst out laughing, she told me that she started lifting when she was 5, and it took less than a week before she could bench more than that. My friend’s sister insisted that I armwrestle her next Obviously I knew what the result was going to be, but I still tried my hardest. Our arms stayed in the neutral position, no matter how hard I tried. Emma looked surprised by how little force I could exert, and she moved her arm forward and back a few times before pinning me. She told me she’d beaten lots of guys my age and older before, but none of them so easily, and that there’s a good chance she’d have been able to beat me when she was 5 or 6. I believed her. She suggested I try with both my arms, and that resulted in a more even match, but she still won in the end. Her biceps were flexed as she was armwrestling me this time, and I was amazed by how big they were, her arm was definitely thicker than mine. Then, she wanted to wrestle with me. I really did not want to do that, I told her there’s no point as we all know what the result would be, and she might end up hurting me. She told me she’d be careful not to, but I said she might end up doing it by accident, and that I’m just going to tap out preemptively. She was a bit disappointed by that, but then she suggested that she just lift me. I was reluctant to do that as well, but then my friend’s sister grabbed my arms, twisted them behind my back, and marched me up to her. I thought Emma would just lift me up by the legs, but instead she stood on a chair so her head was above mine, put her hands under my armpits, and lifted me up like that. She could lift me all the way up, so her arms were outstretched and pointing upward, and I was looking down at her. When I told her to drop me she did, and then her and my friend’s sister went off to watch a movie. I was expecting her to be stronger than me, but I was still shocked and embarrassed by just how big the disparity was. I know most athletic girls become stronger than the average man at 10 or 11, but she’s a special case, and she got there at 8! By the time she’s 11 or 12 she’ll probably be stronger than almost all men, even the ones who work out a lot. Luckily she doesn’t seem to have her friend’s violent tendencies, because if she did then she’d be genuinely dangerous. My friend’s 11-year-old sister told me that girls like Emma and that 7-year-old on the internet who can lift 80kg above her head are rare, but she knows a few more in different cities, and that they’ve become a lot more common than they used to be as more girls are taking up sports and lifting at a younger age and discovering that they have this gift. StanMar 18 2021 9:13pm I‘m not over it yet that i‘m as man physically on the the strengh level of 10 yo girls. And when i think about that what you wrote about Emma, i can not bench 70 kg several times. Also my friend would struggle to lift that much weight. You can be happy that she don‘t hurts you to much, after all this girls are in total controll of you. It‘s pretty obvious that Emma will go the same way like Katie. Luckely these girls are very reasonable and know how to manage their physical power. Anyway, this strength test was an eye opener for me. I have realized how strong girls become nowadays. There is also a more bigger difference at the girls between 14 and 17 compared to the girls same ages around 7 years ago. We did that kind of test also in my school around 7 years ago. For example back then 14 yo girls lifted in average 30 lb dumbbells for curls. It was not that much more but the average man lift 25 lb only. Girls between 15 and 18 could lift 35 to 40 lb. This has changed drasically. Nowadays the Majoriy of the 14 yo girls can lift 40 lb dumbbells. For that the 11 and 13 yo girls can meanwhile use 30 - 35 lb dumbbells. One of the three 10 yo is stronger than the average man while the other two are equal strong. The 15 and 16 yo girls lift almost all 40 - 45 lb and for the 17 year old girls 45 - 50 lb dumbbells are not a problem. When calculate the average of you, my friend and me i came to a little over 20 lb per arm. Means in average we cant keep up to any girl in this age range. Henni Mar 19 2021 2:38am Katie i can imagine this guy want‘s to correct you but to intend to slow you down. I see this again and again. Some guys have the opinion that a girl can lift so much more than them because she‘s cheating and is throwing the weights more and use the momentum than she lift it really by her muscle power. At the same time these guys doing tve same but with smaller weights. When i whould correct you because of i think you use the momentum, you would see i do it also but with an 25 lb dumbbell. Mostlikely you can easily lift this dumbbell in a perfect way without cheating and much more reps. For me as man 25 lb are f*cking heavy and it‘s barely possible for me to lift it more than 6 times. Henni Mar 19 2021 4:09am I know, it used to be that most girls didn't become stronger than the average adult man until they were about 13 or 14, but now with the huge increase in girls starting to work out early in elementary school it's very common to find 10-year-olds who are at least as strong as that. Almost every girl who starts training at the age or 6 or 7 is going to be at least as strong as the average man by the age of 10, or 11 at the latest. Given that the majority of 7-year-old girls right now have already started working out, in about 4 years when the cohort of girls who are now 6 and 7 become 10 and 11, then the average 10-year-old girl will be at about the same level as the average adult man, any many of them along with most of the 11-year-olds will be significantly stronger than that. Men are going to be very shocked when they realize how much the tables have turned, I've already seen and heard about lots of examples of that. My aunt told me that the male teachers in her elementary school are actually scared of a lot of the girls, a couple months ago a 5th grade teacher was yelling at one of his students for bullying a boy, and she twisted the teacher's arms behind his back, bent him over a table, then pressed his face into the table and made him apologize before she let him go. She got in trouble for that, but along with some other similar incidents it's made the boys and the male teachers very nervous. There was another incident at that school where the gym teacher wanted to teach his students to wrestle, and as he was demonstrating the technique against a 6th grade girl she put him in a headlock and knocked him unconscious, she said it was an accident but my aunt is pretty sure it was intentional. The male teachers try not to make any of the girls angry now, and the girls can pretty much do whatever they want when the only adults around are men. My aunt and my younger brother also both told me that a lot of these girls have the same sort of attitude as my friend's 8-year-old sister, they love that they're stronger than boys and especially older teenage boys, and when they become stronger than adult men they love that even more. Many of them treat weaker teenage boys and men with contempt, and will take any excuse to intimidate or overpower them. My brother, being only 13, is weaker than most of the 8-year-old girls, given that almost all of them have been training for at least a year or 2, and he's had a lot of problems with bullying from girls around that age. I'm lucky that the only girl I know who's like that is my friend's 8-year-old sister, and I think her 11-year-old sister would stop her from hurting me too bad. In a few years, when the majority of 10 and 11-year-old girls are stronger than the average man, then men will really have to watch their backs. The world is becoming a dangerous place for us. StanMar 19 2021 12:12pm Well, in some way the world is already a dangerous place for men. When i look around me i see a lot girls and most of them are very physically well trained. It‘s absolute common that they are much stronger than we men. I think it will happen more and more often that a girl beat up a man. Or if the 12 or 13 yo girls develope in the same way the 14 until 17 yo girls did, i think we we will see it more and more, that a girl beat up several men at the same time. My girlfriend is 23 yo and most of her female friends are younger than her. The one or other of these girls has a little sister who is sometimes a 14 or a 16 or maye 17 yo. Well i‘ve learned that i‘m much weaker than an 14 yo girl. So it‘s absolute expectable that i‘m as man the weakest between these girls. Do you or did you have a girlfriend? How was your relationship as weak man next to a strong girl? Henni Mar 19 2021 1:13pm I think girls who become stronger than men love it. I would like to hear how it feels for a girl whan she realize that more and more men can‘t keep up to her. I can imagine that they love to try their strength against men and when they realize that men can‘t resist to her. I can imagine that a girl become much more self confident and become proud to herself when more and more men start to ask her for help with things men are to weak for. Henni Mar 19 2021 1:40pm I don't have a girlfriend right now, but between the ages of 15 and 17 I did. She was 13 when we started dating, and 15 when we broke up. Like most 13-year-old girls, she was stronger than a normal adult man, so obviously she was several times stronger than me when we started dating, since I was underweight and barely over 5 feet at the time. The difference only grew over the next 2 years. She was really nice about it, she never tried to intimidate me, and she helped me with carrying heavy things, and gave me piggy-back rides when we were outside. She had a sister who was 11 when we started dating, she was stronger than me as well, and she loved to pin me to the ground and tease me. My girlfriend protected me from her though, and I made sure I was never in the same room as her sister without my girlfriend present. That's kind-of what I'm talking about when I say it'll be dangerous when most 10 and 11-year-old girls become stronger than the average man. Most girls 14+ are stronger than men already, but (with some exceptions) they're mostly like Katie, they're mature and responsible and considerate enough to not abuse their strength against weaker men and teenage boys. Younger girls aren't like that, though. They tend to be a lot more immature, and I know it's extremely common for the current elementary school girls aged 7-9, most of whom are stronger than teenage boys, to take advantage of that fact and beat them up. By the time they've become stronger than adult men, at age 10 or 11, they'll start beating up them as well. The 5th and 6th grade girls in the school my aunt teaches at are already doing that, their male teachers are terrified of them. My brother is constantly getting bullied by 2nd and 3rd grade girls, and they'll progress to bullying older teenagers and eventually adults in the next couple of years as they get stronger. Look at my friend's 8-year-old sister, she's obsessed with beating teenage boys, she's beaten several already. She'll be about as strong as the average adult by the time she's 9, and when she turns 10 she'll be significantly stronger. She's told me she can't wait for that to happen, she's really looking forward to being able to beat up adult men, I think she'll be a real danger to them. That's not something we really had to worry about when it was mostly just girls 14 and older who were that strong, but now that so many girls as young as 10 are stronger than most men, it's a real concern. In a couple of years, when the majority of 10 and 11-year-old girls are as strong or stronger than the average man, this will be happening all the time. StanMar 19 2021 2:34pm Think about your weightlifting challenge in the gym. You, as an average adult man, were about matched in strength with the athletic 10-year-old girls, and weaker than some of them. You were weaker than all the 11 and 12-year-olds. Most 6 and 7-year-old girls have already started training, so in 3 or 4 years the majority of 10-year-old girls will be at the same level as the average man, and many will be even stronger. I'm OK with most 14-year-olds being stronger than men, but the thought that soon most 10 and 11-year-old girls will be stronger as well is scary, most of them aren't mature enough to handle that sort of power responsibly. StanMar 19 2021 2:41pm Also, you have girls like Emma, and the 7-year-old who can lift 80kg above her head. Prodigies like them are becoming a lot more common as more girls are taking up lifting at such an early age. There are girls as young as 7 and 8 (!!!) who are already significantly stronger than most adult men, and girls that age are even less trustworthy than the 10 and 11-year-olds. Luckily, Emma seems to be a good kid, but not all of them will be, and the thought of an immature 7-year-old who could beat most men to a pulp should be scary to any man. If you had a girl with the personality of my friend's 8-year-old sister and Emma's muscles, she'd be a terror, and girls like that will start emerging in the next few years. StanMar 19 2021 4:28pm Hey Stan I know what you’re talking about and let me tell you, they’re already nearly there. I’m 18 and I’m kind of weak for an adult male because I’m skinny, but I met a little 8 year old named marleen and her 8 and 9 year old friends Patricia and Esther. I was at a gym meant for beginners with an age cap of 22 and it only allowed people 12 or older in. But I was shocked when I saw these 3 little girls in this gym. I walked up to them and was totally shocked. Marleen was benching 160 lbs, Patricia was benching 145 and Esther was benching 150 lbs. They noticed me watching them and asked if they could help me. I was extremely intimidated, but didn’t want them to get in trouble so I told them they were to young to be in the gym. They then stood up to face me. Standing I could see marleen’s perfectly chiseled 8 pack, her huge quads and legs, her massive shoulders and her boulder biceps spherical shape without her flexing at all. Patricia had a 4 pack and pretty huge legs as well as a trim and toned athletic upper body, and Esther had nicely toned legs a nice 6 pack and an upper body almost the size of Marleen. They told me their names and simply said that they are allowed in the gym because it’s their gym now. I was too nervous to talk back as their physiques were godly compared to mine, as I had a 4 pack that was revealed because of how thin I was, but my biceps and legs and shoulders were significantly smaller than Marleen’s muscles and were smaller than Esther’s and Patricia’s muscles too. I also could only bench about 40 lbs if even. So marleen was 4 times as strong as me while Esther and Patricia were over three times as strong. Marleen then lifted me by my ankles and made my head nearly touch the ceiling before dropping me and telling me she was the boss of this gym. It was real scary MichaelMar 19 2021 6:23pm Yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. The scariest thing is that those girls aren't even that much stronger than average for athletic girls their age. I think most athletic 9-year-olds are about the same as Patricia. Marleen has gotten to that level of strength a year or two earlier than most, but almost all girls who work out will be as strong as those three by the time they're 10. There are be plenty of girls who are stronger than their peers as well, so girls like Marleen aren't that unusual. In a few years time once the current crop of workout-crazy 1st grade girls are a bit older, then the majority of 10-year-old girls will be as strong as Marleen, and there will also be plenty of 9 and 8-year-olds who have already reached that level early. I think the kind of behavior you described is already very common for girls under 12 who are stronger than adult men, and that applies to almost all of the girls 10 and older who work out, as well as a significant number who are even younger. They really enjoy asserting their power over older guys, and many will take any excuse to beat one up. Once we get to the point where most girls that age are as strong as that, we'll start to see girls that age intimidating and overpowering men all the time. Especially when the majority of 10-year-old girls become stronger than most men, they'll want to assert themselves and use their strength to their advantage, as well as to have fun. Girls this age with that level of strength have always existed, but soon they'll be a majority. It'll be a scary time for the average man and especially teenage boy, we'll basically be living in fear. StanMar 19 2021 8:00pm Yes, it will be a hard and dangerous time if it happens. But i hope there are many older girls who help the weak men. That‘s already the case pretty often i think. When i was in school it heppened several times that i was beaten up by a girl. Mostly there was girl who helped and protect me. But also nowadays i came in tuch with aggresive girls who went going to beat me up. Luckely in this cases i had always my girlfriend with me who protects me. But already nowadays there are areas you as man should not enter without a strong girl who protects you. Also in the darkness i don‘t dare go outside without there is a strong girl with me. In the future this can begin in the afternoon hours and a man can‘t go outside without there is a strong girl with him to protect him. Henni Mar 19 2021 10:07pm I think as man it’s not a good idea to provoke girls who are stronger, especiall if they are stronger than you. Hopefully you learned your lection Michael. So i admire stronger girls but never would to teach or upset them with anything i‘m not in charge of them. Henni Mar 19 2021 10:38pm That's true, the only way men and teenage boys will be able to survive will be to have other girls on their side. I was the same in high school, my girlfriend protected me from her 11-year-old sister and from some other bullies in school. My 13-year-old brother has an 11-year-old friend in his 6th grade class, and she does her best to protect him from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders who bully him, but she's not around all the time. My friend told me his 8-year-old sister has been getting a lot more aggressive with him over the last week, and she's capable of pinning him to the ground now, but his 11-year-old sister has been preventing her from hurting him too badly. He's pretty afraid of his youngest sister now, and he tries not to be alone with her anymore, her obsession with beating up older guys is quite frightening. I'm definitely going to avoid her at all costs unless her older sister is around. The difference in strength between the 8-year-old and her brother is moderate, but she's a lot stronger than me. If she encountered me without her older sister to stop her, she would probably give me some serious injuries. I think in a few years the most dangerous time for a man to be outside will be just after the elementary schools have finished, there will be a ton of 9-12 year olds girls all out on the street at the same time, most of them will be stronger than the vast majority of men, and many of them will be bored from school and would welcome an opportunity to overpower a weaker man Unless you have an older girl with you, you definitely wouldn't want to be in the middle of that. StanMar 19 2021 10:53pm If you have no girlfriend, what are you doing if you need to go outside in the dusk or you need to cross an dangerous area? Mostly i have my girlfriend with me or if this is not the case and e.g. i visit a friend of mine and became late. If the friend is a girls or have a sister, she acompanied me to my place. Btw what Michael is telling, only with Patricia i would be able to keep up. The both other girls are stronger than me. Henni Mar 20 2021 3:03am I try not to go out by myself too late, because of my size it's not really safe. Sometimes I go to my friend's house in the morning or afternoon and it's dark by the time I have to leave, so I ask his 11-year-old sister to walk with me back to my place. She likes beating me in armwrestling and lifting me up, but she's a good kid who has no desire to hurt me. She's proud of herself that I need to ask her to protect me, and that it's her I ask and not her brother or one of my male friends my own age. She's saved me a couple of times, most recently when some drunk man started to act aggressive toward me and yell something incomprehensible, a couple of punches from her and he was lying on the ground in pain. There have also been times when my brother has his 11-year-old female friend over, the one who protects him from bullies, and I ask her to come with me to the shop, just so I'd feel safer. My cousin who taught me how to lift is almost 14 now, and she plays that role as well sometimes, she's very protective of me. Yeah, Patricia has normal strength for an athletic 9-year-old, in a year's time she'll be stronger than you and most other men. The other girls are stronger than most athletic girls their age, but in a few years I think about 15-20% of 8-year-old girls will be as strong as them. Once the majority of girls 10 and older are stronger than the average man, it'll be a lot harder to get by, there will just be a lot more threats walking around, and a lot more of them will be young and immature enough to want to beat up men and teenagers just for the fun of it. StanMar 20 2021 7:35am By the way, I think threads on this site get locked after about 300 comments, so if that happens here we can continue the discussion in this thread: likelike.com/pollcommentary/3038. There's no need to move there yet, this one is still working. But if you find that your comments here aren't showing up, post it in the thread I linked. StanMar 20 2021 12:12pm Why did your relationship has broken up Stan and why did you not find a girlfriend again yet, what do you think? So far i remember you are not a tall guy. I think girls love to have small boyfriends. How old should your girlfriend be at least? Well, i‘m not short but slender with visible but really small muscles. Most girls think i‘m pretty tall but all the girlfriends i had like that i am a little taller. When we went outside, most of the time they wore heels so i was shorter than my girlfriends outside. When i was 17 i had a 12 yo girlfriend. At this time she started her workout routine. When she turnd 14 yo she was clear stronger than me because of her girl workouts. She was very proud to have a 19 yo boyfriend who was much weaker than her. I was not only smaller than her but because dhe also wore heels i was shorter than her as well. She loved it to take me with her when she met her girl friends. At these time not all girls there had a boyfriend but most had a younger boyfriend. My girlfriend loved it to show that she can hold me down and dominate me. The other girls thought i‘m cute. They always called me a little cute weakling. It was humiliating but also exciting. Henni Mar 20 2021 1:37pm Her family moved away, so we decided to break up, I was about a month from turning 18 at the time. It was amicable. We kept in touch, and her family is actually back in my city now, but I think she has a boyfriend. I've been single for a bit over a year now, mostly because I've been busy with college. I was in another relationship for about a year when I was 14, the girl was almost 11 when it started. My cousin (the one who later taught me how to lift) set me up with her because she knew that I was being bullied and she was worried about my safety. She wanted me to be with someone who would protect me. Unlike now, back then it wasn't that common for girls to start working out really young, but that girlfriend had started doing gymnastics when she was 5 and lifting and other sports a bit later. I think she was at about the same level as the average adult or maybe a bit stronger when we got together, meaning she was stronger than almost all teenage boys, and way stronger than me. It wasn't that serious, we were both pretty young so we never did anything beyond some light kissing, but she loved defending me against my bullies, and she was really good at it. One time she put a 16-year-old guy in the hospital. I want to start dating again soon, both for the obvious reasons and because I'll need someone to defend me against today's breed of young girls, if I meet someone like my friend's 8-year-old sister alone I could be in real trouble. Have you ever had an experience like Michael's one with Marleen and the other girls, involving girls of a similar age? I think they're becoming very common now. Unlike the more mature older girls, girls that age often find it hard to resist asserting their power over men, it's why I'm worried about how I'll cope without a girl of my own to help. StanMar 20 2021 2:26pm Katie or Tim, have there been any new developments? I'm curious about Aubrey, she seemed to be progressing really fast. I know that when someone, especially a girl that age, suddenly goes from not working out at all to working out a lot, she can put on a lot of muscle really quickly. How much can she lift now? Is she stronger than Tim yet? StanMar 20 2021 2:34pm Aubrey can now lift 35lbs for 5 reps and is just barely stronger than me in upper body. She can beat me arm wrestling but only just. TimMar 20 2021 6:02pm Wow, that's a lot of progress for less than two weeks training, she must be a natural! It'll probably be less than a month before she can beat you comfortably. She might not ever be as strong as Katie, but it won't be long before she's stronger than the average adult man. StanMar 20 2021 6:51pm Yeah I’m proud of her for being so strong. It is good to know she could get that strong. Of course Katie too Is extremely strong now TimMar 20 2021 9:12pm Yeah? Has Katie gotten stronger since the last time you talked about her? Is she lifting heavier weights now? She could already pin both your hands using only one of hers, can she overpower you even more easily now? StanMar 20 2021 9:24pm She can more comfortably do that now. I don’t know how much heavier she is lifting but I know she’s lifting heavier. TimMar 20 2021 9:53pm Good for her, I hope she's treating you well and not abusing her strength. Maybe she could drop in some time and give us an update. It sounds like she's doing a really good job training Aubrey as well, seems like it won't be long before she's overpowering you almost as easily as Katie can. You should be really proud of Aubrey, the fact that she could progress so much in such a short time period shows she must have a real gift for this stuff, if she had started training as young as Katie did she would probably have matched your strength years ago. StanMar 20 2021 10:23pm By the way, my aunt asked me earlier today if I could help with a school field trip on Monday. She's taking her 2nd grade class on a field trip to a lake and it would be hard for her to keep track of all her students by herself, so she needs another adult there to keep an eye on them and make sure they don't get lost. One of the school's teaching assistants was going to go, but he had to pull out, so they needed someone at short notice. She said the school will even pay me a bit of money for it, so I think I'll probably say yes. The money would be nice, and I'm a bit curious to see if she was exaggerating at all when she told me about how athletic the girls that age are these days. StanMar 20 2021 10:32pm Stan, i think when you was with this 14 yo girl it was still the time when the average 14 yo girl was basically stronger than the average man. When i was 19, the girlfriend i had at this time she was 14 yo and able to defeat my dad in an armwrestling match without much effort. Except i realized that last weekend that i have dificulties to defeat 10 yo girls i never experienced it by my self. But again and again i hear that girls beat up boys older than them and also grown men who mess with a girl will be beaten up until they wake up in a hospital. Henni Mar 21 2021 7:03am Wow, it‘s really impressing how strong Aubrey has gotten in two weaks. She‘s much stronger than the average man now and also you are weaker than her even though you are pretty strong for a man. At this point Stan is not completely correct in his statement. Aubrey is not equal strong like the average man but she‘s even stronger than trained man. How does it feels fot you if you and Aubrey meet Katie and her Mum? you guys could be the perfect family. A strong womam who is the head of the family, two girls who go the way their mum is going and the dad who is the weakling in familie. Henni Mar 21 2021 7:12am Henni - you're right about Aubrey, 35lbs for 5 reps is significantly more than the average adult man can do, I think most of us can't even do 1 rep with that weight. I probably can't lift that even with both my hands. Aubrey is a natural, if she had started working out at the same age that Katie did then she'd probably be about equal in strength with Katie now, and she'd have surpassed the average man's strength when she was 10. I think you misread the comment about my first girlfriend. I was 14 at the time, but she was 11 during most of the relationship. Unlike now, at the time it wasn't that common for girls her age to work out seriously, most didn't start until about 12. My gf was one the girls who had been training since she was 6, so even at 11 she was much stronger than most teenage boys and I think a bit stronger than most adults as well. StanMar 21 2021 7:38am You are right Stan, i mixed it up. Sorry for that. But i understand you right she is living in the same town like you again? Did you met her again? Now while she is 16 yo she must have made an incridibe progress and is much stronger now, isn‘t it? Aubrey can lift around 5 times more than the average man. I can lift 35 lb with one arm by cheating a little and help with my second arm. But my max here is only one lift. My friend i told you from can lift this weight only one times but he is struggling for one and at max two lifts. I think Tim is well trained but also he can‘t keep up to Aubrey. How i wrote to Tim, in most families the head of is the women because she is the strongest, if they have a daugther she will follow up her mum and if they have no son, the man is the weakest. Henni Mar 21 2021 9:56am I am fairly serious with Amanda right now and we have been to each other’s houses back and fourth a few times in the past weeks, and we’ve been having a good time. Katie and Aubrey get along as well as you’d expect given they’re best friends, and I’ve had quite a good time with Amanda. Aubrey’s arms are a bit stronger than mine as she can do 3 more reps than I can in each arm with 35 lbs, but she isn’t as overwhelmingly strong compared to me as Katie is. Still I’m very proud of Aubrey and her dedication to strength. Her biceps are now 11.5 inches as well (same as mine) but her arms have a little less fat than mine and her bicep feels a bit harder than mine. While I am extremely proud of Aubrey it is a bit odd for me as a father to have a weaker upper body, especially, compared to my daughter. Considering how last night she was able beat me in arm wrestling, and though it was no easy feat, I still lost. She is also able to give me an extreme challenge in wrestling but with my height, weight, and very very slight advantage in leg strength I can just barely beat Aubrey in that. But after I barely beat her in wrestling Katie wanted to wrestle and arm wrestle. I arm wrestled Katie and in a couple of seconds she slammed my arm to the table, and I was worried she’d hurt my arms doing this so I backed out of my left arm. We then wrestled and she was just way too strong. I went to tackle her and she grabbed my waist and picked me up to twist over and lay me on the ground with her on top of me and she forced my legs apart with hers and held them captive while she wrapped her arms around mine and held them back. Her legs were overpowering mine by a bit, but her arms felt almost as hard as steel or concrete and just her muscles were crushing my arms and if I tried as absolutely hard as possible I could barely get her arms to move and all she had to do to win was lean back about 2 inches which made my whole body start to fold in on itself, and though I was in no real danger for a second I was terrified she would rip me in half or snap my back in half. So I can’t even remotely compete with Katie anymore. TimMar 21 2021 10:11am That's impressive. I'd be a little nervous if I were you, I know Katie doesn't want to hurt you but when the difference in strength is so big it could happen by accident, that's why I don't want to wrestle with girls like Emma or my friend's 11-year-old sister. Judging by your stats you are well above average for a man your age (doing multiple reps of 35lbs is very impressive, most men can't even do one) which means that a normal man would be absolutely helpless in front of Katie, even if she only used a fraction of her strength. If the difference is this high now, I'm guessing Katie probably matched the strength of the average adult when she was about 10, which is about what I would expect for a girl who has been working out for as long as she has. The fact that Aubrey is stronger than you means that she's already significantly stronger than the average man your age, and would probably have no problem beating him in wrestling too. You should make sure they are both responsible with their strength, both of them could beat up most men and almost all teenage boys, so it's important that they show restraint and don't abuse their power against older males. A lot of the young girls coming up now aren't like that, and according to my brother and my aunt they're making life hell for the teenage boys in their schools. StanMar 21 2021 11:53am Amanda and I have been doing our best to teach them that being as kind and as respectful/responsible as possible with their strength as they could easily kill many people with their raw power and strength. Heck Katie could very easily kill me. TimMar 21 2021 12:01pm That's good, now that it's starting to become common for girls that age to be stronger than men it's important that they don't misuse that strength to intimidate men into doing what they want, or to overpower them for fun. From the sound of it, if Katie can completely dominate a relatively strong man like you with no effort at all and easily pin both of your arms to the ground using only one of her's, she could probably win a fight against two normal men at the same time. A girl that age with that sort of power is like giving someone a loaded gun, she has to be responsible with it. Pretty soon Aubrey will be able to beat you in wrestling as well, then you'll have two 12-year-olds in the house who can both overpower you. It sounds like they're both good and well-behaved kids, but if they weren't they could just start ignoring your instructions and bossing you around, and there wouldn't be much you could do about it. You should be thankful that neither of them are like my friend's youngest sister, you'd be in real trouble if they were. StanMar 21 2021 1:05pm True enough. Have you been lucky enough to fully avoid her doing anything bad to you? TimMar 21 2021 1:14pm Mostly yeah. She's 8 and she's been doing gymnastics, weight-lifting, and some other sports since she was 5. She's not as strong as a regular man yet, but she's a lot stronger than me. I'm about the height of the average 14-year-old boy, and I think I'm about as strong as that as well, even though most 14-year-olds are heavier than me. I tried lifting again yesterday at my cousin's house and it turns out I can lift a bit more than I thought, I can bench at least 20kg. Anyway, while my friend's youngest sister isn't as strong as most adults, she is significantly stronger than most 14-year-old boys, meaning that she's significantly stronger than me as well. She also has a sadistic streak, she absolutely loves that she can overpower males a lot older than her, and there seems to be nothing she enjoys more than doing just that. I try to make sure I'm never in the same room as her without her 11-year-old sister present, she prevents her from hurting me too badly. There have been a couple of times she managed to get me alone, one time she waited for me outside the bathroom, wrestled me to the ground, pressed my face into the floor and bent my arm behind my back until it got really painful. She was laughing as I was crying out for help, and then her sister arrived and pulled her off me. Another time we were sitting on the couch and she put me in a headlock, wrapped her legs around my chest, and covered my mouth with her hand so I couldn't call out. I couldn't break free and we stayed like that for a few minutes before my friend noticed and called for his sister to come help me. She also likes to intimidate me when her sister isn't looking, she flexes her biceps or lifts her shirt to show her abs as she makes faces at me, one time her sister caught her doing this and told her to stop scaring me. Apparently she treats the older boys at her K-8 school the same way. I think I'm the only adult she knows who she can easily overpower, so she's even more enthusiastic about beating me up. It'll only be a couple of years until she's stronger than most adult men, even the ones of regular height/weight, and when she's Katie's age she'll probably be similar in strength to her. If she's still like this in a few years she's going to be really dangerous to men. I'm sure you can imagine how terrifying Katie would be if she had this girl's attitude. StanMar 21 2021 2:29pm Fair enough, that’d be both terrifying and dangerous. As far as I know she only overpowered two grown men and two boys. TimMar 21 2021 3:08pm It's great that she's so responsible with her strength. What were the circumstances of the older males she overpowered? Was she defending herself or someone else? How old were they, and how old was she at the time? StanMar 21 2021 3:25pm I’ll have her tell you more about it because I don’t really know all the details but as far as I know the other adult was harassing her and the two boys were foolishly trying to compete with her. TimMar 21 2021 4:30pm That would be good, I'd like to hear about it. I'm impressed by Katie's restraint, she's been stronger than most men for years and stronger than most teenager boys for even longer, but it looks like she's never taken advantage of her strength in an unfair way. Sure she went too far with you a few times, but I don't think she even intended to hurt you. I know some girls her age and younger who are also stronger than most men, or at least stronger than most teenagers, and all of them have abused their strength at some point, sometimes for fun and sometimes for gain. Even the ones I would consider to be mature and responsible have done it a few times, even if it's just using intimidation to get something they want. I saw that Katie said earlier that when she was 9 she was almost as strong the PE trainers at her school, and presumably they were athletic men of above average strength, so if Katie was almost as strong as them she must have been significantly stronger than a normal non-athletic man even at the age of 9. StanMar 21 2021 10:32pm Add a comment: Vote Results |
