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I'd say I'm stronger than maybe only 10% of my guy friends, but I'm kinda scrawny lol. Was at the basketball court not long ago though sitting watching my husband play and one of his teammates was sitting next to me on the bench. He's a really skinny guy and seems to like joking about his lack of muscle. So he's sitting next to me and says something about how it was good weather for sleeveless tops (I was wearing a tank), and then he says something like maybe he shouldn't go sleeveless as I probably had bigger arms than him. I wasn't sure if it was meant to be an insult or not lol, but he was looking down at our arms side by side trying to compare them. I go to the gym regularly, but mostly to do toning stuff, not really lift heavy, but I think I could have taken this guy as his arm really wasn't very impressive, the only reason it was slightly thicker than mine was because he's taller than me. Not really an awesome story I know, but it just got me thinking about this type of thing, so I thought I'd share. Maybe I should have armwrestled him or something lol. Women have hid their physical strength for years, and there are many women who can whip a man. I am stronger than I would guess 75% of my male friends, and one of my best friends Laura is tronger than I am, so there you go. MaxineNov 13 2011 12:01pm First of all, let me commend all the males who are openminded enough to realize that we can be strong, even stronger than the guys in some cases. If we are indeed stronger it is nothing to be embrassed about and doesn't make you less of a man. I do think that males tend to be bigger, and probably are stronger than the girl 70% of the time or so, but there are definitely exceptions to this. I don't claim to be able to outmuscle every guy, but there are certainly some that I can. BrittanyNov 13 2011 12:02pm At 5`5 122 I am sort of on the slight side. It`s not an uncommon occurance for me to find a woman who is physically stronger than me. You see them at the gym;grocery store and at the buffet line.They always do some physical task just a little easier than me. Then you see that their torso is just a little fuller and broader than mine. I would say 35 percent of the english female population is stronger than me. Some guys would think that was unbearable, but actually I don`t mind being on the physically weaker side. In fact, I acutally like to be around stronger women. Some of it it my upbringing where women ran the show and were in control. Oh yes, my spouse "natalie" is also in that 35 percent. She is 5`9 167 lbs and wears the pants in the family.Its a role reversal.She loves the dominat role And it doesnt make me less of a man to say I like it as well. TonyNov 13 2011 12:06pm Being 6' and 200 lbs and in good shape there are plenty of men that are weaker than me. My boyfriend, brother-in-law, male cousins, three male friends are all scalps in my belt, I have won armwrestling matches rather easily against these men. Strong squawNov 14 2011 5:17am Yes, Women are getting stronger these days. I could never outmuscle all the women probably about 25% is my guess, being in the average or a little below average in strength, there is quite a few women that would be stronger then me. David RiceNov 14 2011 8:56am Holly don't worry about your lame story :) At least it got you thinking about whether you might be stronger than more guys than you think. Next time definitely arm wrestle him, he sounds like the type of guy who doesn't mind being weaker than girls. Otherwise he'd never bring up the subject. And Strong Squaw - you sound strong. I think you'd have no problem beating me - I'm 6'1" but only 150lbs so I think you'd be able to outmuscle my little 12" biceps pretty easily. Keep the stories coming guys :) Glenn StormNov 14 2011 12:06pm This type of male/female issues interest me. I am a 46 year old woman that works out 4-5 times a week. I have realized that I am stronger than let's say 60-70% of the men that works out at the same gym. When I first discovered that I had more muscle power than a man it first surprised me since I have all my life thought that men were a lot stronger than women. I now realize I am also stronger than my husband, something that he is fully aware of after the weekend. Me and my work out partner, Linda, challenged our husbands to some tests of strength at a garden party last Saturday. We had planned this for a while since we both thougth that our rather lazy husbands were weaker than the average man. Knowing we can outlift several of the younger more fit men at our gym we felt rather confident that we are stronger than our men. After dinner we challanged each others husband to an armwrestling match. We both won rather easy I have to say, of course we also tested the strength of our hubbies. No doubt about it, they couldn't match the power in our arms. leg wrestling followed with even more easy victories for the "weaker sex". We ended their humilitation winning the mercy game. When coming home my husband started to talk about coming to the gym with me. I yesterday checked the men and women at my gym and of course a majority of the men are stronger then the women, especially in their upper bodies but since more and more women work out with heavy weights we are at least 10-12 women that are stronger than many of the men. Men just have to come to grips with this fact, they aren't always the stronger sex! a Dutch powerhouseNov 14 2011 12:08pm Interesting topic! I'm a 39 year old single mother and in the last couple of weeks I've been filling in for my neighbour who works as a local newspaper distributor, giving out stacks of papers for deliverers to take. It involves a bit more lifting than I'd realised as I often have to carry large bundles of papers over to the vehicles of our deliverers. As a result, I've discovered some muscles popping up! I'm not a gym person so I'm really very average strength-wise but it's amazing what a couple of weeks of 'training' can do. I can now at least make my biceps jump a bit ? before, nothing used to happen when I flexed lol. We had one young guy come around to the house to get his papers, tall and skinny ? sounds a bit like your build Glenn :) Anyway, it was kinda hot and as we were hefting these bundles into the back of his van, and he was commenting about how it was a good workout and I replied by telling him about how I'd found some muscles while I'd been doing it. Then I flexed my muscles as we walked back for more papers and he kinda went quiet lol. It was only afterwards that I thought maybe he was a bit intimidated by the thought that I was as strong or stronger than he was. I was lifting the papers just as quickly as he could and he seemed to be slowing down by the end so it's quite possible I was stronger ? kinda cool SylviaNov 14 2011 2:35pm Great Stories Sylvia and Dutch Powerhouse. You gals sound way more powerful then me. It is cool to see this and men coming to the grip that women can be strong. David RiceNov 15 2011 8:52am I read somewhere that girls/ladies who work out regularly with weights are likely to increase their strength by about 30% in six months. This inevitably means that at some point they will become stronger than an average inactive male. However, guys who work out regularly themselves are much less likely to be overtaken by ladies who lift weights. MikeNov 15 2011 1:55pm I've always had a thing for boy's muscles and it wasn't but maybe a year ago that I began to notice so many girls have become so athletic that they often have bigger muscles. Now I like to see the difference between the sexes and I get turned on by the thought of female muscle being stronger. I do like men's muscles but seeing a girl has more muscle is very arousing! Thinking about women or even girls becoming the stronger sex is interesting and erotic for me and seeing muscular superiority like this is new and exciting! I always got turned on by guys muscles but now I like to see how the female muscle is really stronger! I'm not gay at all, just think it's very intriguing as we are supposed to be the weaker sex! More and more I see it isn't true! The idea of women becoming stronger than men is so sexy! Think about how fast this change has happened and maybe as this trend continues into the future, girls could become the stronger sex in every aspect including muscles! Anyone can see the female muscular build is becoming a real challenge for men. I can see this all happening within my life time! Girls now have larger muscles than the average man! Even many men who are bodybuilders! Crazy but true! NicoleNov 15 2011 2:09pm We had to take some physical tests in gym class earlier in the year and I remember being kinda surprised at how close I was to some of the sporty guys. It was just standard stuff like chinups, pushups, and one where you had to jump back and forth across a line as many times as possible in 30 seconds. I think in all the tests I could beat at least a couple of guys and as I said, was getting pretty close in some of the tests to these guys who really fancy their athletic prowess :) I remember one guy looked at me funny after I'd done the line jumping test, probably thinking how on earth does a cheerleader almost beat him lol So yeah, I think the gap is definitely smaller than what most people think and I know in our school there are lots of athletic and probably pretty strong girls who train for all sorts of stuff. Look out guys lol CandiceNov 16 2011 2:03pm Candice - Yes, I agree that the gap is smaller between men and women. If you are a cheerleader then you must be in fairly good shape. David RiceNov 16 2011 2:05pm I am sure that the strength gap is closing. Due to back and shoulder problems when I was younger I never really had the chance to build up my thin body. When I got rid of these problems I was already in my 30's. Started yoga that was really good for me but it didn't add any muscle to my thin frame. I also started to jog. So I got in shape. I visited gyms now and then and could to my surprise see that many women (and girls even) were stronger than me, not only in their lower bodies but also arms and shoulders. I met my wife when I was 33, she was 7 years older than me, a few inches shorter but several pounds heavier. She had an athletic back ground and had just started to get back in shape since she got a membership with personal trainer as a present on her 40th birthday. After a bout a year she had two of her closest friends over for dinner, one 45 year old woman and one 43. I came home from the pub when they had just finished dinner and to my surprise was armwrestling each other. I got rather interested and also a bit shocked seeing these ladies muscular arms. And it was like I hadn't noticed my wife's arms before. She was really buff, something you don't see if she isn't lifting something heavy. Anyway it turned out that my wife was the weakest of these ladies?. When her friends had left she asked me if I wanted to armwrestle her. I have to say I wasn't comfortable to do it since I realized how much bigger my wife's arms were but accepted out of coriousity. She absolutely killed me, I wasn't close to put up a good match and that surprised both of us. And thinking about that her friends, 10 years older than me, were stronger as well made me feel less of a man. My wife comforted me and said that she was never interested in me because of my muscles, she loved my thin body and warm smile. This helped of course and I soon came to grips with that fact that some men are not very strong and I was one of those. But I started to go to the gym where my wife worked out and have improved my strength, but I am nowhere near my wife in strength. I have since then armwrestled several of our friends, I have lost to 6 out of 8 women and won against 2 out of 7 men. My wife says to be that she like to comfort me when I have lost to a stronger woman, that is teasing but I also think she is serious saying that. She for sure enjoys being stronger than me and other men, she has beaten many of our male friends at armwrestling. Aron BNov 18 2011 12:19am At the moment the 21-30% category is winning, and I think that might be pretty close. It's certainly more than 10%, since so many women work out these days. And like Aron said, some are really starting to enjoy being stronger. Would be interesting to see some real stats on the issue, like those stats that Candice and her school were doing and whether there has been a proven increase in female strength. Glenn StormNov 19 2011 12:20pm I think I spent a decent amount of time testing this out before voting on the poll hehe. I armwrestled 15 of my guy friends, by two brothers and my boyfriend. I can beat my brother who is one year older than me and 11 out of the 15 other guys. I also play wrestled most of them and won all my fights. So i guess im a better fighter than armwrestler. What i didnt count on was the amount of admiration i am getting for my muscles! I now have a reputation for being a strong musclebabe lol and guys wanna see me flex! AliciaNov 21 2011 3:56am In terms of other guys, I'm about as weak as any guy I've met. There have been a few really skinny boys who I've nearly matched at arm-wrestling, but certainly most guys are way stronger than me, to the point where even if I use both my arms, or stand up and push, I can move their arms back. Girls have armwrestled me a lot too, and most of them have beaten me too, except the really skinny or small ones. They seem to love grabbing my little arms and teasing me light-heartedly about how weak they look. Ticklish-girly-armsNov 21 2011 6:56am Alicia - Good story! Sounds like you are a good arm wrestler also beating 11-4. Good job. You are probably stronger then me. David RiceNov 21 2011 9:19am Glenn - I've noticed a few guys love the look of my muscles lol. Im pretty skinny, but im muscular too and my boyfriend enjoys my muscles too, I only recently found out that he finds them really really sexy but was too shy to say anything. I am the strongest girl at my school so far as I know, I've armwrestled some girls with arms three times as thick as mine and won, when we've compared biceps, mine are more defined, harder and obviously superior lol. I get my strength and muscle from cheerleading and I used to be a competitive gymnast : ) alot of my friends are either toned or athletically muscular also. AliciaNov 22 2011 3:53am Alicia, Nothing better then gmynast and cheerleading muscles, they are usually really strong. You would definately beat me. David RiceNov 22 2011 9:02am Girls have longer muscles, you can see that in those comparison photos. Having longer muscles is an advantage in building size and strength. The strength gap is closing very fast and it seems possible that girls and women are on the path to being the stronger sex. Things have changed and girls in sports are becoming so strong! Look at "crossfit" competition and see for yourself how girls are becoming more muscular and stronger, so much so that they pass many boys up. I think it is at least 25% now. Maybe more. Pound for pound of muscle, girls are stronger when muscular endurance is factored in with strength. When girls do the same exercise as boys we are finding that they often become stronger than the boy. AnonymousNov 22 2011 10:51am Ew those imageshack pics look a bit ott! They don't even look femenine any more - like way pumped full of steroids! The pull up chicks are awesome though! Specially the one with the gymnast in the red top! I dunno what that guy was thinking challenging a gymnast to a pull up comp! She looks strong! AliciaNov 22 2011 6:00pm Yah those were great clips, I bet that gymnast is stronger than well over 50% of her guy friends and probably ones a lot bigger than she is. So Alicia...given you've said you're the strongest girl going around at your school :), how do you think the average girls at your school would do in your 15 matches? Would they win a few? Or do you think it is just the girls who are active and do sports that would do well? Keep the experiences coming along everyone and keep this topic rolling *thumbs up* Glenn StormNov 22 2011 7:37pm Lets put it this way: until the beginning of last year when all the elite gymnasts went off to college, I would have been like 5th strongest girl in school. There was one girl who looked like Adriana from 90210 - scorching hot and sexy with muscles and she could out muscle any girl or guy and pull guys like you wouldnt believe. She was the goddess all guys wanted and all girls wanted to be like. Actually plenty girls wanted her too. She was way powerful and loved to show it off! State champ and could do alotta chin ups and pull ups! About half of our schools females are athletic and I would say 30-40% of girls could outmuscle male athletes. I armwrestled some girls today and won - far too easy lol. AliciaNov 22 2011 8:37pm Question for you Glenn: what percentage of girls are stronger than you and what are some of your first hand experiences with fitness and muscle girls? :P AliciaNov 23 2011 2:38am Experiences eh?...well I'm afraid I've not had as many experiences as I'd like :( I was really shy at school (still kinda shy :)) and that stopped me from really pursuing things like that - as much as I might have liked to! Not helping was the fact that I grew up in small town in Australia which meant that my school wasn't very big and it didn't have any official school sports programmes. There a few girls who played sports with the boys and I reckon some of those girls were stronger than me, but really it was dead boring compared to schools these days - there was no school weight room and no girls that looks like Adrianna ? let alone Adriana with muscles! That's where the trends are really changing, girls sports are growing in popularity and girls are hitting the gym to get better at them. I think I need to go back 10-15 years and start high school again - your school sounds awesome for strong girls :) Anyway, I remember a couple of times I had the chance to arm-wrestle a girl but I ended up chickening out. At the time I wanted to be cool- and possibly losing to a girl wouldn't have been cool :P Most of the time when a girl has proven to be as strong as me, I've been too shy to dp anything about it. eg. I remember at the swimming pool one day with a few male and a couple of female friends we started pairing up and getting on each others shoulders and the 2 on top push each other to try and make the other pair fall over. You ever played that game? Anyway, one match I found myself grappling with one of the girls and we were deadlocked for maybe 10 seconds, showing that neither of us was obviously stronger. The other guys started telling me to 'finish her off' and that kind of stuff and eventually started laughing when I couldn't. Thankfully her and her partner overbalanced soon after, and I could say I won even though it had been nothing to do with my strength, but their mistake. She wasn't an athlete or anything, just an average sized girl, no visible muscles, so I knew that I can't have been very strong compared to the average girl because an average girl had matched my strength. But with my stronger male friends watching I didn't really want to challenge her again or offer to arm wrestle or something, as much as I wanted to. I'm not so self-conscious now, in fact I often make jokes about my scrawniness to girls and a couple of times it's encouraged them to flex their muscles for me. Can't think of the last time ive armwrestled someone though... Glenn StormNov 23 2011 8:20pm Oh and I would say maybe 30-40% of girls could outmuscle me ? so I reckon I could beat most, but it wouldn't be hard to find some that are stronger. I am pretty fit and have always been active and played sports so that gives me a natural advantage over girls who aren't sporty at all so that probably makes me stronger than 50% of girls right there. But I've never gone to the gym much in my life, and I have such a skinny build that I think any girl who has spent any time in a gym lifting weights won't take too long to match my strength lol After all I'm almost 6'2? and yet my biceps are only 12? around when I flex them. An average male of my height should have biceps probably 14?. 12? is not too much bigger than the average girls biceps I'd guess (maybe 10-11? for a 'normal' girl?). Muscle size isn't everything though I guess, some girls with bigger biceps might be weaker than me if they aren't in good shape, while some girls with smaller biceps might beat me if they are strong for their size. You'll have to tell us about the guys who actually DID beat you Alicia - I'm guessing they were pretty big guys, athetes? How do the other male athletes at your school react when as you say, 30-40% of the girls could outmuscle them. Must be some interesting dynamics in the classroom or in the gym in particular :) Glenn StormNov 23 2011 8:21pm you all bitches kidmanNov 23 2011 9:43pm kidman you can be a bitch too if you wants. What do ya thin kidman, whats your viewpoint? AliciaNov 24 2011 5:13am all the strenght differences were caused in fact by society.its proven that early female body in iceage,was in fact same almost same structure of bones,same musclemass and even on top of that stronger lwr body-which last until today.man start ruling society and position of woman become less and less physical.however woman emancipation and science nowadays prove its wrong,that woman is not weaker sex at all.women are becoming once again the same when it comes to strenght.different studies are showing extreme endurance in women's muscle fibres,which favours them.Fact that female's lwr.body is even stronger don't need much explanation,as its caused by childbearing and woman just had,have and always will have stronger legs than men,as mother nature prepared their body for carrying extra weight during pregnancy,as well directly with this goes fact that female muscle endurance is higher,as well as pain tolerance is astonishingly about 9times! Higher than men's threshold of pain when woman in labour!woman are in fact stronger sex from mother nature.On the other hand,mens orientation in space is far better,what makes them better in accuracy(driving,shooting,faster reactions ect.)that makes men better hunter,or soldier. gregNov 24 2011 6:28am There is one more simple thing i would like to refer to.Guys-men-boys!-if you ever had a physical strenght contest against woman/girl,such as legwrestling,submission wrestling or armwrestling-did anybody notice the difference between you and her?difference is that woman's strenght actualy increasing up,while man's decreasing immediately.woman's body getting pumped up during fight/match and instead of losing power like man does,she gains even more power which can keep increasing for long time until she reach her maximum muscle strenght,than her power keep producing steady power for some time and only after that her strenght volume start very slowly decreasing.man use all his power right in start and immediately start losing it.often happen that man is already about to be exhousted on his end(muscle failure threshold),while woman's muscles pumping up,still increasing strenght volume in very same moment.did anyone here experienced this? gregNov 24 2011 6:03pm I am much stronger in my upper body and arms than my wife. that is a fact brought on by the fact that i have always worked at very physical labor (farming,construction,landscaping). I am in my early 80's and still working nearly every day, but can no longer do the heavy lifting I used to do. She is nearly there. When we were younger, I would observe that she could carry a child on her hip for, what seemed like, hours without getting tired. I have seen her carry a child under one arm and a large bag of groceries under the other as we walked out to the car, maybe several hundred feet from the store. In spite of my muscular body and excellent physical condition, I absolutely could not do that. When carry one of the children, i would last only a few minutes before my muscles would start to cramp up and I had to put the child down. i tried to hide the fact my muscles were giving out by playing at tossing the child into the air and silly games designed to hide my weakness. In bed, there were a few times when my wife put pressure against my legs with her legs and/or feet. i would find it impossible to stop her, but as soon as my legs would give out, she would immediately back off. I could seldom get her to repeat her shows of strength as she is an old fasioned girl who always believed her man should be the strongest in the family. I have tried so many ways to encourage her to show her strength, but her programing just won't allow such displays. I have a theory about such programing of the sexes that goes along with those who claim that centuries ago the woman was stronger. I think that in many ways, they have always been stronger. the only weakness they had was childbearing. Before modern medicine came along, there were many women who died in childbirth. I had a very dear relative whose mother died during his birth. As the stronger ladies were recovering from the birthing ordeal, the man had to get out and do all of the hunting and do all of the work. when that happened, the women decided it was a pretty good idea and once recovered would not allow the man to get lazy once more. The men, being pretty much under THE BOSSES thumb, had no defense and did as told. Thru the years, the women realized the absolute power they had over their men and exercised that power to the hilt and men, thinking it was they who were the strong ones, did the womens' bidding. Today, with all of the modern conveniences and labor saving equipment, men no longer need to display their strength by doing the heavy lifting. They (we) are reverting to our natural tendencies towards being the lazy ones; while women are awakening to their natural strengths and are finding great satisfaction in working out. They are running, swimming and exercising to build up their stamina and endurance far beyond what many men are capable of. They are discovering that while building their stamina, they are becoming stronger. They have, within the past several years, discovered that adding weights to their exercise programs, they are not only gaining edurance and strength on their men, they are, in many instances, surpassing in actual physical power, their men. As more women are making this discovery, a more than equal number are following suit and actually becoming so much stronger than their mates that the men, once surpassed in physical strength can never catch up. I have loved it when my Dearly Beloved has, upon rare occasions, shown me her strength. i just wish it would happen more often. Would it be an embarrassment to me? I am absolutely certain it would. At the same time, i have been totally turned on whenever she has shown her strength to be more durable than my own in any way. Her problem is also my problem. She has been programmed by the women of the last several million years. That is very hard to shake. Many modern women are learning how to break free of their ancestry training. Guys, if you do not believe, be aware, you young guys will one day be under your mates thumb and there will be no return. She will outwork, out play, out thing and, be ready for this, out muscle you. i am sure of it. Old TimerNov 25 2011 1:33am yes that is very truth,about female muscle fibres recovery time,i did my research on this from different independent sources and most of them comes with same results.differences vary slightly in numbers,calculations of time ect.but yes,almost all new studies confirming-female muscles recover way faster than male muscles. gregNov 25 2011 2:37pm Sounds interesting Greg, and good to hear our perceptions are being backed up by science. Where do you usually find that type of research? And we've still got our most popular choice as 21-30% ie. the average girl can outmuscle 21-30% of her male peers. That number might even go up in future as opinions on female strength change. Glenn StormNov 27 2011 12:35pm The other night my friends and i went out for dinner with our boyfriends and the subject of my strength and muscles came up. The guys wanted to see me flex so i did and everyone was all impressed etc then someone asked how my boyfriend felt about me being stronger than him and thats when things go interesting lol. There were 8 couples all up and 3 of the girls announced they were stronger than their boyfriends lol. Note: all the girls are seniors, cheerleaders and toned, conditioned athletes. My boyfriend is cool with me being stronger than him, but the other 3 were all like "no way!" and so they ended up armwrestling for it. 2 out of the remaining four couples were curious to see who was stronger at armwrestling so they did it too. 5 out of 6 couples armwrestling - the girls won and while we were all sleeveless in our dresses, our athletic cheerleader biceps were all bulging on display for us all to see hehe. There were a few shocked guys for sure and all us girls were flexing and showing off and it was mostly a turn on for the guys. I mean after all, its becoming more and more attractive for girls to be strong and have sexy biceps hehe. My boyfriend wouldnt shut up about how sexy all of us girls were and how hot it was to watch us all out muscling the guys as we went back to his place that night. We had incredible sex after armwrestling some more and i pinned him and twisted him up in wrestling moves for foreplay. AliciaNov 27 2011 1:13pm The other night my friends and i went out for dinner with our boyfriends and the subject of my strength and muscles came up. The guys wanted to see me flex so i did and everyone was all impressed etc then someone asked how my boyfriend felt about me being stronger than him and thats when things go interesting lol. There were 8 couples all up and 3 of the girls announced they were stronger than their boyfriends lol. Note: all the girls are seniors, cheerleaders and toned, conditioned athletes. My boyfriend is cool with me being stronger than him, but the other 3 were all like "no way!" and so they ended up armwrestling for it. 2 out of the remaining four couples were curious to see who was stronger at armwrestling so they did it too. 5 out of 6 couples armwrestling - the girls won and while we were all sleeveless in our dresses, our athletic cheerleader biceps were all bulging on display for us all to see hehe. There were a few shocked guys for sure and all us girls were flexing and showing off and it was mostly a turn on for the guys. I mean after all, its becoming more and more attractive for girls to be strong and have sexy biceps hehe. My boyfriend wouldnt shut up about how sexy all of us girls were and how hot it was to watch us all out muscling the guys as we went back to his place that night. We had incredible sex after armwrestling some more and i pinned him and twisted him up in wrestling moves for foreplay. AliciaNov 27 2011 2:15pm Umm wow, that's pretty hot Alicia. Would have been funny to see the guys reactions I bet. How many of the guy were athletes, and how many just 'normal' guys? Cause if you girls are stronger than athletes then that is even more impressive. The cheer squad must be ripping up the gym :) Can any (or a lot :P) of the cheerleaders lift more than some of the football players? Anyway, what a great way to prove how much stronger girls are getting. I'm guessing you might try this at a few more parties? :P Oh and I'm gonna start up another poll soon about strong cheerleaders, as I saw a great pic of a cheerleader flexing some BIG biceps at a college football game. It would be a great starting point for the topic and I'd love you to contribute :) Glenn StormNov 28 2011 3:13am i have seen cheerleaders during exhibition and training too.well,i must say most of them had thighs so huge,they were actualy clapping against each other durin dance routine.but what was a real fact,they train their legs with extreme weights on legpress,and squad.its because these girls must be able to carry and hold often 3,other girls on their shoulders in standing position.(i have seen one girl who did full squad 2reps.with three girls standing on her shoulders!)which was amazing.her thighs muscles were absolutely ripped during lifts,they were poping out as much as it seems they were gonna explode every second.but hey,this girl had extraordinary size of her thighs as well as her calves.way bigger than most of football players.in average most of them trained with impossible weights for boys on their legmachines.guys,some of them players had to lower weights almost regularly after these buff-legged chicks. peterNov 28 2011 5:32am Hi Glenn and Alicia,i was recently very busy,but here i am.How do i do research on this topic?plenty of pharmaceutical institutes and sporting universities,schools,associations of sports arround the globe have their studies on the net available,gender endurance,pain tolerance,muscle fibres gender differences ect.studies research.Its not fantasy but seem to be a lot to talk about why women are beeing considered as stronger sex.Just take an example from entertainment..first consider,in how many movies you see situation where smaller woman battles/wrestles against bigger man in defence situation,did you notice that most of times she overpowers him and getaway?even she is smaller?movies like EXTREMITIES,WAR OF THE ROSES,NIGHT PLAN,at some point movies are based on facts,truth stories,however they may be presented as fiction.Did you ever notice how many rape attempts are beeing made arround the globe daily?When i buy only local news paper,there are rape attempts in crime section mentionet almost every week,so as in police-crime news websites.There are cases when man or group of men attempt to rape such and such female,-who managed to escape or defend herself?what i mean by that is fact that most targeted female population is not big and obviously muscled woman,who may pose treat to these criminals,but rather small and petite build-and on average,man is bigger.this lead to fact that these victims of such an attacks actualy overpowered their attacker/s at some point,otherwise it wouldn't be classified as an attempt.I mean we can clearly see if we look arround,examples on this and other topics answers are out there,if you do your research properly,use common sense,you can't be far away from truth. gregDec 02 2011 5:50am greg i don't think that your theori is right as most rapes happen the way that man overpowers woman,but there is something about your claims what i agree with. dean j.Dec 04 2011 4:05pm Yes,thats right Dean,but there is major factor which makes difference and that is cases you are talking about happend mostly when female voluntarily submitt to male due to fear,treating,or lack of confidency or lack of aggression.Cases when woman fights back with full strenght and aggression are the ones i mentioned and they end up very rare by actual rape as woman mostly getaway,unless there is extremly strong or large number of attackers.Its proven that chances for similar build man to rape similar build woman are physicaly almost impossible,if she uses her full strenght to wrestle attacker. gregDec 04 2011 4:24pm i fully agree with greg.woman,girl who does their best and put up fight,are most likely succesful and overpower guy. 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Zu ihrer Figur konnte ich da noch nichts sagen, weil es Winter war als sie eingezogen sind, und wie wir alle sehr dick angezogen war. Wir haben aber immer viel rumgealbert und etwas rumgerangelt. Da viel mir schon auf, dass sie für ein Mädchen, dass auch noch jünger war als ich, sehr viel Kraft hatte. Als es dann wärmer wurde und wir endlich wieder Sommerkleidung tragen konnten, habe ich erst ihre Figur gesehen. Wir waren diesmal alleine am Spielplatz, weil die anderen da unterwegs waren oder andere Sachen zu tun hatten. Sie hatte ein ärmelloses Oberteil an und eine kurze Hose. Sie hatte extrem breite Schultern und dicke Arme, an denen ich die Adern am Bizeps und Unterarm sehen konnte. Ihre Beine waren auch sehr durchtrainiert. Sie hatte auf jeden Fall viel mehr Muskeln als ich. Zu der Zeit wog ich gerade mal 62kg, war also eher schmächtig, aber ich hatte auch einen recht guten Bizeps. Ihr ist aber auch mein Blick auf ihren Körper aufgefallen, sie hat dazu aber nichts gesagt. 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Ich habe versucht von ihr weg zu gehen und gesagt ich muss nach Hause, aber sie hat mich aufgehalten. Ich hatte nun doch etwas Angst vor ihr. Als ich gehen wollte, kam sie von hinten bei mir an und griff um meinen Bauch. Dann hob sie mich hoch und trug mich zum Sandkasten. Auf dem Weg sagte sie noch, du bist ja noch leichter als ich dachte und wollte wissen wie viel ich wiege. Als ich ihr dann mein Gewicht sagte, lachte sie nur und sagt, das sind ja über 10kg weniger als ich wiege und schmiss mich in den Sand. Dann stand Sie mit den Händen in den Hüften über mir und sagte, dass ich aufstehen soll. Nun standen wir uns gegenüber, sie größer, schwerer und bedeutend muskulöser. Sie meinte, darauf habe ich schon seit unserer ersten Begegnung drauf gewartet. Ich hatte zwar schon im Fernsehen Wrestling gesehen, aber ich wusste nicht was ich machen soll und vor allem bei dem Gegner. Sie kam auf mich zu und wir packten uns an den Händen. Ich war sofort auf meinen Knien und hatte den Kräftevergleich verloren. Sie ließ mich wieder hoch und nahm mich in einen bearhug. Ich konnte meine Arme nicht befreien und meine Beine baumelten in der Luft. Ich habe kaum noch Luft bekommen und mir tat alles weh. Wie konnte sie nur so stark sein? Sie ließ mich wieder in den Sand fallen und ich konnte mich kurz erholen. Ich versuchte wieder aufzustehen, aber da griff sie mir schon am Bauch und hob mich kopfüber hoch und trug mich durch die Gegend. Sie ließ sogar einen Arm los und trug mich dann so weiter. Sie hob mich mit einem Arm noch höher und fasste mit dem anderen Arm an meine Schulter und schmiss mich so in den Sandhaufen. Ich war jetzt schon k.o., aber sie hatte gerade erst angefangen. Ich sag zu ihr hoch und sie spannte ihren Bizeps an. Oh mein Gott, ist der groß, dachte ich nur. Ich hatte ja auch einen Bizeps, aber im Vergleich zu ihr war der mickrig. Ich hatte 31cm Oberarmumfang, aber sie musste mindestens 36 oder 37cm haben. Sie hat mir wieder hochgeholfen und dann mit einem Arm zwischen meine Beine gegriffen und mit dem anderen an meine Schulter und mich hochgehoben und ist mit wieder eine runde gelaufen, als wenn wir Zuschauer haben, und hat mich wieder zu Boden geworfen. Das macht solchen Spaß, sagte sie dann zu mir. Ich wollte eigentlich nur noch weg und hatte Angst, was sie mit mir anstellen will. Ich hatte gegen ihre Kraft null Chance. So was habe ich noch nie erlebt, noch nicht mal die starken Jungs aus meiner Schule haben so viel Kraft wie dieses Mädchen. Sie hat mich wieder hochgezogen und mich dann mit dem Rücken nach unten auf ihre Schultern gelegt. Das tat so weh, aber ich konnte mich nicht wehren. Zum Glück hat sie mich dann wieder in den Sand geschmissen. Ich habe die ganze Zeit gebettelt, dass sie aufhört und ihr gesagt, dass sie gewonnen hat und viel stärker ist als ich. Sie lachte nur und zog mich wieder hoch. 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